"Boyz N The Hood" Movie Review | The Main Ingredient With Chris Ellis Podcast - Ep.8

What if fatherhood could reshape the trajectory of entire communities? In this episode, we team up with platinum recording producer Mr. CMT from East Oakland to dissect the enduring cultural impact of the 1991 film "Boys in the Hood." Through the lens of the film's pivotal character, Furious Styles, and the raw depiction of life in South Central Los Angeles, we share personal stories that mirror the film’s narrative. With a stellar cast including Ice Cube, Cuba Gooding Jr., and Laurence Fishburne, we celebrate the film's authenticity and its resonating themes of mentorship and strong parental figures. 

This episode takes listeners on a journey through the chaotic streets of the hood, where violence and camaraderie coexist. We share heartfelt reflections on the bonds formed amidst adversity and the societal challenges depicted in John Singleton's directorial debut. From the complexities of gang mentality to the struggles of casting child actors, our conversation addresses the systemic issues such as police corruption, racial bias, and the consequences of gentrification. These discussions are enriched with personal anecdotes, offering a vivid portrayal of street life and the survival tactics adopted by individuals growing up in challenging neighborhoods.

In this compelling analysis, we emphasize the role of fatherhood and the importance of strong role models in shaping young lives. As we highlight the film's portrayal of sibling relationships and family dynamics. 

Chapters

• 0:00 Boys in the Hood Film Discussion
• 11:42 Growing Up in the Hood
• 15:50 Surviving the Hood Mentality
• 25:16 Navigating Through the Hood Experience
• 32:00 Positive Influence of Father Figures
• 36:52 Police Corruption and Racial Bias
• 47:38 Coming of Age and Family Dynamics
• 57:32 Navigating Through Street Awareness
• 1:10:59 Surviving Gang Characters in Film
• 1:20:39 Parenting Differences and Adolescent Realities
• 1:31:23 Racial Profiling and Gentrification Consequences
• 1:43:09 Brothers Facing Tragedy in the Hood
• 1:56:25 Gang Mentality and Street Realities
• 2:01:51 Boys in the Hood Film Analysis
• 2:07:55 Supporting Artists in the Music Industry

Transcript

Chris: 0:00

I've seen three people like die in front of me, get shot, die in front of me. When you see it it's not like the movies, it's not dramatic like the movies, but what you do see is mentally it's like his spirit is gone. I'm not gonna say you literally see the soul come about, but you see them breathing eyes open to where it's just like and and they're gone and it changes you.

Chris: 0:51

What's up, y'all? My name is chris ellis and this is the main ingredient. We're chris ellis. Today. We're here with the platinum recording producer, mr cmt, straight out of east oakland, straight out the bay, making a hit since since whenever he's always had hits. Today we're discussing the movie boys in the hood came out 1991. He picked it. I'm assuming it's one of his favorites, so let's get into it. What's up with his cmt?

CMT: 1:14

what's good man? Ce, what's good man? Thank you for having me. You know right on, appreciate it. You know over here, you know trying to push the envelope over here, so you know appreciate it okay, okay, okay.

Chris: 1:26

What made you pick Boys in the Hood?

CMT: 1:29

I love the teachings of furious styles in the movie you know like, because you see how people turn out without a furious style meaning fathers in their lives, right. So I really love that. They showed that part what a father being in a son's life really meant.

Chris: 1:48

You know, coming up in the world yeah, boys in the Hood is actually a really good father and son. Amongst all the bullshit. It's a really great father and son story about a man who decides to take charge and raise his son amongst all the chaos of south central los angeles man ridiculous chaos, yeah, yeah and the good thing is it wasn't like the mama. Angela bassett's character was like a crackhead. No no, nothing wrong with her she was just trying to get her life together that was a good thing too, that definitely.

Chris: 2:21

It wasn't like out of a tragedy.

CMT: 2:23

No, no, no, that was dope. That you know, the mom was, like you know, trying to get her itch together. You know I'm saying but you know, and he was like they were both straight up righteous parents. You know, I'm saying like she was arguing with the teacher, like hey, don't, don't call my son, you know. You know I'm saying that's stuff that black moms do.

CMT: 2:44

You know I'm saying you ain't gonna call my son no, no, hoodlum or whatever. He know what he doing. You know I'm saying so. I appreciate that part of them, the parents, like they were straight up, like didn't take no shit about their child.

Chris: 2:57

You know I'm saying so, that's what I yeah, when it comes to young trey, they wasn't, they were not playing, right, right. But the dope thing about that is that that and I remember when it first came out, I got teased. Everybody was like that's your parents, right?

CMT: 3:10

little chris hey I believe that, man, I can tell the way you move, that that that seems like that's how your parents know my parents were just like that, like I remember I was like a little chubby, fat kid, like eight or nine years old.

Chris: 3:21

It was this one dude on the block that kept fucking with me right taking my lunch and shit like that. He was like 14 to 15. My mama paid somebody is the same age as him to beat his ass fuck out of here.

CMT: 3:32

Oh yeah, mom's wasn't playing. She knew she couldn't touch him. She got in jail. My dad couldn't do nothing to him, right she?

Chris: 3:38

paid another teenager to whoop his ass in front of me. Wow, so I can see how serious this shit is, right how she feel about me, right? So I already know how my mama was no joke and my mom was similar to angela bassett's character, like when it came to little chris.

CMT: 3:55

Leave him alone, that's I got another story for you later. We're gonna talk about that later.

Chris: 3:59

That's dope, but uh, right now we talking about Boys in the Hood 1991, columbia Pictures, written and directed by John Singleton man RP. Yes, yes, rest in peace, rest in peace A great, great young at the time very young black director out of South Central. Yeah, so he wasn't speaking out his ass when he was talking, telling these stories. No, he's from there.

CMT: 4:21

Mm-hmm. Yeah, the story felt real as hell because you know, super real, yeah. So that's how I knew I was like oh, you from LA, for real, yeah, because this feels real.

Chris: 4:30

Ever since I seen Boys in the Hood I was like can we get one director with a nice budget, you know, because I think this one had a $5 million budget. Can we get something like that for the town?

CMT: 4:50

You know how five million dollar budget can we get something like that for the?

Chris: 4:52

town. You know what's. How many stories? Oh my goodness, we got a bunch of them, a million stories. We got a bunch of them that need to be told. A million stories, not only of people that that that are here to tell them, but we got stories of soldiers that have passed away that are amazing story. You wouldn't believe some of the shit they went through right in the 80s in the 90s and over right.

CMT: 5:06

No, I believe that yeah.

Chris: 5:08

So ice cube playing dough boy, dough boy. Baker. Uh, cuba good and junior is trey. Styles. Morris chestnut is ricky baker. Uh, laurence fishburne is furious styles uh the beautiful. Uh, knee along is brandy. Uh, raymond turner is ferris. We'll get to ferris later. I couldn't stand that motherfucker uh angela bassett is riva devereaux. Uh, tyra farrell is brenda baker and the budget was 5.7 million, like I said, and it grossed 57.5 million at the box office. So we did good numbers. The 1991 for a black film that was huge.

CMT: 5:48

That's huge man. Come on man, that was huge. You grossed 10 times more than you spent on that.

Chris: 5:55

And Quietus kept back then they probably wasn't thinking it was going to make no money anyway. You want to keep it real? I feel like they might have just to pacify the black community. Yeah, let him go ahead and make this little black movie when it don't do nothing. That's the excuse we're gonna use for not letting him make another one. Yeah, but it blew up.

CMT: 6:14

Blew up got him another deal out of that, yeah yeah, yeah, at the academy awards he got two nominations.

Chris: 6:24

I think it was best director and best Screenplay both John Singleton. Sweet, you know he didn't win, but a lot of it has to do with politics, Of course. Young black man, he in Hollywood.

CMT: 6:33

Of course. I mean, it was fresh black film, so you know they wasn't giving us the accolades that fast.

Chris: 6:45

Not only had we, as a black black community, had never seen nothing like that. They definitely never saw no like this, no, no, they never saw nothing like this. No, this movie's like a comet in the sky. Nobody ever saw anything like this and didn't know how to process the success from it. Right, you know, but I feel like they were. There are a lot of positives, but the press kept pushing the negatives, which was the shootings at the theaters. Anybody got shot by a theater. It was Boys in the Hood fault. It was like Boys in the Hood, what are you playing at that?

CMT: 7:14

theater. Why are you playing it on that?

Chris: 7:16

It's a cold game. It was a cold game back then, but it did win MTV Award, you know back in the day, for Best New Filmmaker, john. It win MTV Award, you know back in the day, for Best New Filmmaker, john Singleton. And it won an NAACP Award for Outstanding Motion Picture.

CMT: 7:28

It got its accolades.

Chris: 7:31

Should have gotten more Of course. Because, as it's kind of like the Chronic album, the test of time showed how dope that album actually was. You know what I'm saying, like you know from history that certain things should have gotten the recognition they should have gotten when it came out, but because of politics stuff like that yeah. So he never really got it. But boys in the hood, we about to get into it. So, opening scene, there's the Columbia symbol of the statue and then you hear some dudes getting into it Shout out DJ Pooh.

CMT: 8:04

I know that's DJ Pooh. Was that DJ?

Chris: 8:04

Pooh. Was that DJ Pooh?

CMT: 8:05

That's DJ Pooh voice. Who's like?

Chris: 8:07

man where they at they right there, yeah, yeah.

CMT: 8:09

Yeah, but yeah.

Chris: 8:12

From the very beginning. Somebody about to get smoked. Oh man.

CMT: 8:16

And when that scene opened up I was like yo man, that's just how intense it be. Yo it was. It caught me right off the back. It's so intense, like oh shit it's really starting off they might be.

Chris: 8:29

Oh, john, wasn't no joke, john, we gonna go right into. Yeah man, that was dope man, go get right into the bullshit dope that you know.

CMT: 8:36

He basically saying overall this is what, this is how it is no, it's how it is.

Chris: 8:42

It's a quick decision. It is it's a quick decision. It's a revenge and a getting back fast. That's why they say it's a difference between gang members and gang bangers. Bangers is really they about that action, they hunting. They really out there hunting, and gang members is dudes who just be doing the dance at the parties.

CMT: 9:03

They ain't really about that. They're more or less affiliated. Who just be doing the dance at the parties?

Chris: 9:04

They ain't really about to do nothing? They ain't really about to. Yeah, they're more or less affiliated. Maybe they brothers or uncles part of it. They might live in the neighborhood, so they part of it, but they ain't banging. No, they not going to the malls banging on people. But yeah, John started off with that realness man, and then it said on the screen one in every 21 black men will be murdered in their lifetime.

CMT: 9:28

That is crazy yeah, that was in 1991, that was in 91, yo, 91, crazy. So I like that. That build-up was there and then he gave you the game right after that build-up. You know it's kind of like all right, this happens. But I'm giving you the statistics now the final result is going to be this. Yeah, like we can. We can play this emotional game all right too, but this is what's going to happen, yeah, in the end.

Chris: 9:57

So, like you said, it was a uh said every 21 black men will be murdered in their lifetime. Then it said most will die at the hands of another black male. I was like damn, that brought me back to my son Right, killed by another black man. Black man, yeah, 14. So it's just like. This is the bullshit about America. They make everything about race so they make black people afraid of white people, but that's not who killing us. You want to keep it real, keep it a buck 800 murders in chicago. It ain't no white person running around killing black people in chicago. That's not existing. It's not even like that in oakland or nowhere else. It's us killing us. So it's like that, that hatred within you know, I'm saying that the hate that hate produce, yeah, that type of situation, that's a good way to put it.

CMT: 10:44

That the hate that hate produce yeah, that type of situation, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, the hate that hate produce.

Chris: 10:48

You look in the mirror. You hate what you see, so you definitely gonna see hate in the next. Uh, black person, you don't even like yourself you don't even love yourself, real spit, you don't even love yourself, so and then it uh shows a close-up of a stop sign saying stop, and I just took that as a symbol of him telling people stop.

CMT: 11:05

I stopped the violence, I stopped this bullshit yeah.

Chris: 11:08

At one point in time LA had 400 or 500 murders, oh my goodness man. It's just like come on y'all. This is ridiculous.

CMT: 11:15

Hey man, my pops, almost you know. He from Tennessee, okay, nashville. He almost went to LA and I always wondered, man, what my life would have been like if he decided to live out there up that way instead of this way. And I was like I'm so glad you decided to move to the town yo, because all that mess going on down there, man, I don't know if I would have made it. You know, I know I got caught up here, so I know I would have got caught up down there.

Chris: 11:42

Yes, yes, I remember like my son was murdered at the age of 14. And I remember me at 14 was the first time somebody pulled a gun on me. So this shit happens to everybody, right, right.

CMT: 12:00

At any given time, especially in the town back then. It can happen to you at any given time. You said that age man, because at that age I didn't get a gun pulled on me but I started walking in the streets and my homies was carrying guns. And I remember one time walking in a crack house and as soon as I walked in there, a crackhead walk in and my homie was he pulls out the gaze and then points it at the crackhead. I was so confused walking in. I'm like you about to kill this motherfucker.

CMT: 12:30

Yeah, he was just really trying to scare him and say yeah, yeah but I was just like goodness man. I grew up with this cat and this is what this is the life you live in now like you. This is what you do yeah, yeah, man, so it's crazy you know what?

Chris: 12:44

here's the thing that, and I try to tell people all the time, like me and you from the same place, yeah, uh literally went to the same school, literally same school.

CMT: 12:54

So we know a lot of the same people.

Chris: 12:56

yeah, and it trips people out when they see when we out you know stone soul concert and stuff like that and I see the ogs that were a little bit older than us we were high school and stuff and they give me love and give me hugs, right, and other people be looking like you, cool with dude, like what they don't understand is like me and that particular person wasn't ever on no street shit, we was always friends. You see what I'm saying? Right, so we never had no beef like that. Yeah, so when they see them beefing with other people, that's because they decided to take that street shit with this person. Right, I kept it friendship. So it's always love and it trips people out because they know that dude did knock some shit down in the streets. But when it's Chris, like my homie is different and it just goes to show you like, when you show love, you get it back most most years later.

Chris: 13:47

30 years later you get the same. You get the same emotion back. Yeah, but if you, if you in that street, shit, oh, you're gonna get that back, get that back, you're definitely gonna get that back he might not pop me, but he gonna.

CMT: 14:01

You know he ain't gonna fuck with you. He gonna look at you, he ain't gonna fuck with that. Yeah, yeah, it ain't going to look at you and be like I ain't fucking with that nigga over there.

Chris: 14:06

It's going to be a different vibe. So now it goes on the screen. It shows South Central Los Angeles 1984. So that's where we at in the beginning of the movie and the kids were walking up the street and they seen a poster of a shot up Ronald Reagan and it just goes to show you how how black people felt about Reagan back then Reaganomics and all that other stuff. And I remember my dad really fucking talking shit about Ronald Reagan every day. He hated Ronald Reagan.

CMT: 14:38

But me being a kid, I didn't understand why.

Chris: 14:41

Now I understand why. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

CMT: 14:43

Now I truly understand some of the shit reagan was doing.

Chris: 14:46

Oh yeah, you know, to further oppress black people. I understand that stuff but, back then I didn't understand why my dad was always so mad whenever he seen that man on the screen.

CMT: 14:55

Yeah, right, right, never see him on news, yeah, he was pissed.

Chris: 14:59

Yeah, he was pissed no, that's.

CMT: 15:01

That's funny that you know this movie is different from 20 years age and then being old now watching it.

Chris: 15:11

Yeah, it hit different, yeah, so it hit a little different. So, yeah, the.

CMT: 15:14

Reagan thing was definitely like yeah, I see why they had bully holes.

Chris: 15:19

You see why. You see why it's just like as an adult adult, you know, you start paying, taxes taking your kids and families and mortgages and shit and these motherfuckers pop playing playing games of capitol hill. They ain't helping you out and shit, and you're supposed to be the middle class and you don't even feel like the middle class.

CMT: 15:37

No more, no no, you see why people get pissed exactly so I got it. Then, man, I saw that I was I was like mm-hmm, yeah, that's about right, that's about right, that's about right, that's about right.

Chris: 15:50

I have to address the elephant in the room in this movie, though. Ok, the kid Trey Styles the little kid Right. He looked nothing like the older Trey.

CMT: 15:59

Styles the older. Yeah, yeah, man.

Chris: 16:02

Man. Look, I understand it was hard to probably get black kids casted back then. But that little boy didn't look nothing like Cuba Gooding Jr looked at 17 and 18.

CMT: 16:15

I was probably like one of the first movies. I probably was like, oh man, he did a bad job. But you know, I still know where they was trying to go with it.

Chris: 16:24

Yeah, you know where they trying to go, yeah, but when you first saw Cuba Gooden as an older, well, a teen, he was like 17.

CMT: 16:32

Yeah, you was like what that was, Trey.

Chris: 16:36

He went from dark skin to light skin. Yeah, I was like okay, Okay, he literally went from dark skin to light skin. I was like wow, but I'm assuming that it was just especially in 91. It was probably hard casting kids in general. But little black kids was probably the biggest headache ever. Oh yeah, Most definitely. Come on, man. So John was probably like as long as he can do the lines, yeah.

CMT: 17:00

I seen that kid in so many movies back then so I'm pretty sure he was the favorite.

Chris: 17:04

I seen that kid in so many movies back then so I'm pretty sure he was the favorite, he was the favorite, he was the favorite, but I'm just like we got to at least address that. Oh yeah, he did not look like it.

CMT: 17:09

Not at all, man, when the grown Cuba came on the screen.

Chris: 17:13

I was like oh, is that Trey? That's supposed to be Trey.

CMT: 17:16

Okay, all right.

Chris: 17:19

So young Trey St style, starts cracking jokes in class. You can tell he's kind of like a class clown a little bit. You know making jokes and he gets into a fight with his friend about Africa. You know a dude. The little boy said you African booty scratcher and stuff like that. But where I want to go to is like the kid he got into what he was just walking with in in the street Pastor Ronald Reagan stuff which is weird. It's like it's supposed to be your homeboy, like that's your homeboy. But then on top of that the little kid said I'll get my brother to shoot you in the face.

CMT: 17:52

Yeah, man, that's some shit. That was crazy to hear. They only look like they're about nine years old. Yeah, nine years old, and you about? You wanted somebody to die.

Chris: 18:02

You want somebody to die over a little joke in the classroom, over a little joke yo. I said John Singleton was not playing, he was going to keep it real.

CMT: 18:14

He kept it real because that's the mentality. If your brother is doing that, then your kid is going to idolize that.

Chris: 18:19

I remember I ain't going to say his last name, but at our middle school it was a dude named kevrick. Remember kevrick, me and kevrick got into it, right, it was an after school thing and, uh, we was getting ready to fight, right, and the first thing, the first thing somebody told me I won't say his name, but first thing he says like you know, if you beat kevrick, somebody gonna come up here and kill you. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is now, at this time we about 13th 7th grade or whatever shit yeah.

Chris: 18:50

So I'm like I'm not ready to die. So I'm glad the teachers came and broke it up. But that's the first thing. Somebody told me, like you know, if you beat him because I'm I was at the time, I was way bigger than him you know, if you beat him, somebody gonna come up here and kill you. That dude come from here, the village or whatever hell. He was right like they coming up here to get you, and I'm the only child.

Chris: 19:09

I ain't got no brothers to back me up, man so I kind of understand the mentality of like it's it's a doggy dog world. It's like you know, you can fight somebody and get into with somebody, but it's repercussions hey man, I ain't gonna lie in elementary.

CMT: 19:24

That was me, I had that cousin he wouldn't shoot you, though he. He would whoop your eye. He was a great fighter. He would whoop the shit out of your ass. So nobody messed with me in elementary so you had some protection. Yeah, it was like uh man, don't mess with, don't mess with him, because his cousin gonna whoop your ass.

Chris: 19:44

Yeah, it was real back there but what I think about all the time is that my parents both of my parents were from the south and I had older parents, so they had me when they was in their 30s, so I had young parents. Okay, so they were mature, they were adults, and they were from the south, where everything was respectful, right, you know my dad was born in the 40s. Both my parents born in the 40s. They were old school.

CMT: 20:07

South, yeah, what part of the South. Louisiana and Texas.

Chris: 20:10

Louisiana and Texas, yep, louisiana and Texas, yep, that's the South, so I couldn't even talk to them about the shit I was going through, because they never had to deal with nobody threatening to kill them. So I them, so I you know that's. That's a part of the issue with black men not being able to uh get that therapy, uh get somebody to talk to about what they're going through because people might not understand what you're going through.

CMT: 20:31

Yeah, I couldn't.

Chris: 20:32

I didn't have no siblings right and my dad was an older man.

CMT: 20:36

Yes, from texas yeah, so they didn't understand what they never understood.

Chris: 20:40

Hey, man, dad, I just had this fight with this, this kid, and I think he gonna come up there and kill me tomorrow. My dad wouldn't know what to do. Yeah, he didn't come from that. So the same way you you were saying you you thought about how your life would be if your dad would have went to la. I always thought about, like what if my parents would just raise me in the south, where they?

CMT: 20:57

were from right.

Chris: 20:58

Would my mentality be the same? Would it, you know? Would I be?

CMT: 21:02

you know more hospitable? I don't know, you know, would I just be a different person in general?

Chris: 21:06

yeah, because I feel like a lot of stuff I went through and survived made me like I ain't gonna say a wolf, but made me aware of wolves when I'm around them.

CMT: 21:16

I know it, yep because of where we was raised. Oh yeah, most definitely oakland will do that it will do that.

Chris: 21:24

It will. You can sense it's about to be a shootout. Just like that, just by walking into the club or any spot, you'd be like them niggas, don't like them niggas. It's about, it's about to go down. Yeah, I'm out.

CMT: 21:35

Yeah man, they don't. Yeah, it's real, it's real shit, it's real shit.

Chris: 21:42

But I just definitely wanted to, you know, kind of just let people know like it was a. It's a lot of kids now that felt like that feel now how I felt back then, like they in situations they ain't got nobody to talk to yeah they ain't got nobody to guide them through the situations.

Chris: 21:57

So me back then I had to kind of be a chameleon. I had to be cool with these motherfuckers over here from the village, had to be cool with these motherfuckers over here from high street. Oh yeah, I had to be cool with everybody so I didn't get fucked with hey, man, that seemed like that was.

Chris: 22:13

That's what I learned how to do I had to be cool with all the niggas in the mob, all that shit, because in the end, whenever I got into a little something, everybody's like nah that, nah, that's Chris man, leave him alone. He good Right, you know what I'm saying. And I had to learn how to do that. Now, the advantage of that is, as an adult, I also learn how to move in different spaces corporate America, but I can still go back to the town arrive through any hood and I'm good.

Chris: 22:39

It's like you learn how to adapt. I learned how to adapt because all that shit, I had to adapt to exactly back then to survive there.

Chris: 22:47

You go there, you go, it was something totally it wasn't, like you know, a choice. It wasn't a choice it wasn't a choice and back then nobody the teachers, the teachers and the counselors they really wasn't looking out for you like they were supposed to, like they can see you getting fucked with by people and they're not. They're not stepping up to help you through that, that's almost like they're scared too.

CMT: 23:08

They were scared. You know what I'm saying?

Chris: 23:11

I remember I ain't gonna, I ain't gonna. Well, I'm gonna say his name. We older now. Uh, my partner is there, right, he come from a a huge family, a lot of uncles, a lot of cousins, stuff like it's about 60 of them, and I remember one day he got into it with somebody at school and he won the fight. He won the fight, so it's supposed to be over next day. U-haul truck, pull up all his uncles out of the u-haul truck, get out of here, still whooped on the same dude he whooped on the day before get out of here. That's the type of stuff I had to deal with and process as a kid, like, right, I need to know how to navigate through all that type of shit.

Chris: 23:47

So my whole process was be cool with everybody. Most definitely you don't beef with nobody. Yeah, you got it. It just kept me sharp, yeah. And I still have that same instinct and intellect on how to survive because of those times. That's why I always tell people high school didn't raise me, it was really middle school, right, middle school's really got my woke my game up, man.

CMT: 24:10

It sure did. Man definitely it introduced a lot of characters I wasn't aware of in elementary.

Chris: 24:16

Was aware of, yeah exactly middle school I started hearing about girls being pregnant, started hearing about dudes selling straight, selling crack. I'm coming from middle school to where we was playing with GI Joes and being kids Dudes packing guns, selling crack, running trains in the back of the school. It's like it woke my game up to like okay, because, chris, you got to grow up fast. Whatever you, whatever kid shit you had going on, you got to let that shit go.

Chris: 24:46

You in the jungle now your parents literally put you in the jungle, you got to figure this shit out and survive it and surviving and like going back to what I said, like at 14, when I got the gun pulled on me, it was walking down Coolidge. I was walking down Coolidge going home when I got it pulled on me from one of our classmates. I'll tell you about that later. So that's the type of shit you you know we had to deal with in the 80s man. It was real shit. Oh yeah, so everything in this movie I felt that. I felt it because I'm like damn, I was going through that same bullshit with these dudes man, man Just trying to.

Chris: 25:23

When wolves smell weakness, when people smell weakness, they pounce on you. So you got to know how to navigate through that. You know what I'm saying and I was trying to navigate through that without becoming one of them, but I was definitely trying to stay in my ground. You ain't supposed to take my money and punk me and think it's just going to be that easy. But at the same time, I'm not a killer, I'm not going to be coming to school with guns, I'm not doing all that shit.

CMT: 25:50

So I just learned kind of how to navigate through. That's a hard decision to make if you're going to come to school like that or not. There's a lot of reasons too.

Chris: 25:57

There's a lot of reasons too, and those reasons could keep you alive.

CMT: 26:01

I'm not going to bash none of my homeboys that was coming to school with guns, because I understand why they did it. Of course you had to survive. It's rough out there. It was rough. It was rough. You had to do what you had to do.

Chris: 26:11

So we get to the point in the movie where the teacher calls Trey's mom Reva and tells her about the fight.

CMT: 26:26

And then he's suspended for spending for a couple of days and, uh, it's something funny when she was talking to her she said are you employed?

Chris: 26:30

and it was a little funny because she was like yes, I'm employed, I'm going for another master's degree. And she started running it down the line like I'm an educated black woman just because my son had a fight in school, don't't assume I'm one of them, right, I'm one of them parents. Exactly One of them parents.

CMT: 26:46

Right. She made it clear like, hey, I ain't your average crackhead mom or, you know, ratchet mom or any of that. I know what I'm talking about, so you better be careful talking to me.

Chris: 26:57

Check the teacher quick. And then, when she said her son was going to stay with his dad, the teacher was like he has a father, oh, wow, that part, I was like wow. That was scantily, bro, but that's how it was back then.

CMT: 27:10

That's what I'm saying. That was a good lug to let you know. That's how they felt about black women. You know what I'm saying. Like they were looking at black women like y'all. Basically, yeah, old going there and just having kids and they ain't doing, ain't giving a fuck, yeah.

Chris: 27:25

Yeah, they look at black women like incubators.

CMT: 27:28

Yeah, yeah, you just having kids just to live off the system. That's basically what the you know how I took that.

Chris: 27:36

You just basically I took the same way, now granted those people do exist, no doubt, live off the system, no doubt, but that's not the majority of black people. The problem is they throw everybody in that category and it's like, no, that's a very small percentage of black people that are not trying to do nothing with their lives. Most of us are trying to strive to be better. That's just a fact. Most of us are. But they painted that picture of of it's kind of like the same way, the news back in the day, uh, before, before social, before the internet, the news media, whenever they showed africa it was the jungle. So until the internet, we didn't know it was is casinos and no full cities in africa nice beaches and all this.

Chris: 28:24

Thank the Lord for the internet, because we still been thinking they were just lions and tigers and shit and people running around with spears. They showed that for 80 years. Not knowing.

CMT: 28:36

Nigeria is going to look like San Francisco. Yes, but we just they black all up in there.

Chris: 28:40

Yes, that's how the media controlled the stereotype of black people for years, years on tv you know what I'm saying.

Chris: 28:49

So it's great that that you know. Through technology, information is shared out of people. Understand that. No, no, no, there are black people that live in really nice in africa, billionaires, billionaires. Chill it. You know what I'm saying. So you know I always think about that type of stuff. Yeah, so we get to where trey. Uh, trey has to go stay with his dad furious, furious styles, right, um, because of the trouble he was having in school.

Chris: 29:14

And uh, chris and doughboys outside cursing up a storm man as soon as he pop in there, so you know where he at chris and dough boy is hella funny man, so furious, asked him to uh to rake up to he'll pay him to rake the leaves for five dollars. Right, and uh and I think it was chris was like shit. I can get more than that from my brother. Right, he cussing at an adult man and he don't even give a fuck. Don Don't give a fuck y'all. But Fury's understood.

CMT: 29:46

Fury's didn't even get mad because he understand where they come from. Yeah, he didn't get mad at him.

Chris: 29:50

He didn't say you cussing at me. He didn't say nothing. He just like okay, yeah, I'll have my son do it, dude.

CMT: 29:58

Right, I was you. When you think back, it was kind of like I was trying to teach you motherfuckers, trying to be responsible, but I'm going to teach my son how to do that he was actually trying to school him and pay him at the same time at the same time. Yo, that was, that was the cold part. You was gonna pay the homies and not pay your son. That I was like you passed up on some money. He was going to pay you he was going to pay you.

Chris: 30:23

He was going to pay you and I feel like Furious at one point in time. Probably wanted to help the kids in the neighborhood.

CMT: 30:31

Most definitely.

Chris: 30:32

But once they got into that gang banging shit, they got older. He said fuck them, damn kids, I'm worried about my son. Yeah, that's it.

CMT: 30:37

That's all you can do.

Chris: 30:38

Like you can kind of tell he was on that type of shit a little bit later.

CMT: 30:41

Oh yeah, he's like well shit, my son on the right track.

Chris: 30:43

My son. Good, he might fuck with Ricky a little bit because that's my son's best friend, right, but he wasn't fucking with Doughboy and them. Nah, nah, all Doughboy and them got was a what's up Doughboy.

CMT: 30:53

That's it.

Chris: 31:12

Yeah, see what's going on with y'all. He might have a chance with this football thing. So I'm cool with him. So it was. It was weird. It was not weird, but it was. It was like I said, I see a lot of my life in boy boys and because my father was the same way, that's what's up. Only son, I had friends that he fucked with. But I had friends. He was like I don't like that motherfucker, that little motherfucker gonna end up dead or in jail. And he was right about a lot of them that's dope, that's dope man to have that this.

Chris: 31:30

How dope my father was. Even to this day, there's grown men walking around who the only time they've ever been to disneyland to tile to the snow is when he took them with us. Wow, yeah, he would take my. He would take my home, which?

CMT: 31:44

one of your friends want to go to Disneyland.

Chris: 31:46

So you can have somebody ride on the rides and shit like that. Yeah, that's dope and he would go get them ask their parents Parents don't have to give them no money or nothing and he'd take them to Disneyland. So there's people who never went to Disneyland other than with my father and my. So he was trying and, like Fierce, he was trying to show them a different thing outside of Oakland. Oh yeah, like you can have fun as a kid, you don't have to always walk around hard.

CMT: 32:10

You ain't got to walk around hard and with a pistol or you know, scared of somebody going to shoot you.

Chris: 32:16

You can be a kid. You can sit on a roller coaster and eat ice cream like kids do.

CMT: 32:22

And it woke their game up. Man, I know it woke their game up, yeah it did, it did.

Chris: 32:26

And the level of respect is still there to where even when I see some of my homeboys they'll be like man, your dad was a real one, bro, like that shit he used to do with us. He didn't have to do none of that shit. He didn't have to do none of that shit and they understood that a lot of it came from the love wanted his son friends to to experience the same thing.

CMT: 32:51

But just the fact of those kids never wouldn't have got out of oakland without my father saying hey, man, come on ride with us. That's dope that. He, you know he played a part in that. That's he played a part in that. Yeah, and I think furious.

Chris: 33:00

Getting back to the movie, fierce was the same type of dude like. He probably wanted to help chris and doughboy and them right, but they went such an opposite direction, yeah, as they became teenagers yeah, man crazy selling crack shooting motherfuckers and banging and shit like that. He could really only fuck with ricky yeah, that's it.

CMT: 33:16

Yeah, that's it. That's the only way they can really talk. It's only friend, that's cool with me only friend.

Chris: 33:22

so I understand that part because I it ended up being maybe three, three of my homeboys as we became teenagers that my dad was cool with. Yeah, you know, I'm saying that he knew that if something happened to chris, these three didn't have nothing to do with them as his friend, friends, right. So I, you know, and now that I have kids and daughters and older son and stuff like that, I I see it the same way in their friends. I'm like I see the friends that are good for them, but also see the friends that ain't shit, ain't shit, and I make sure I point it out, yep.

CMT: 33:55

Yep.

Chris: 33:56

That you might want to chill out on homegirl you hanging with right there, because she always fighting motherfuckers and nowadays the fight leads to gunplay. So you got to, you got to always fighting motherfuckers and nowadays the fight leads to gunplay. So you gotta, you gotta, pick your friends wisely. Oh yeah, you know, I'm saying we all, we heard that as kids, of course your friends wisely but as you get older you really understand, oh?

Chris: 34:14

yeah, where that comes from, because those friends, that's always in beef. You will become part of that beef, you will, you will whether you like it or not.

CMT: 34:23

Oh yeah, you in it, you in it, yeah like straight up oh yeah, and because you hang with them you know, and even if you like not really with the shit like that, they saw you with them, so you were part of that you part you in it?

Chris: 34:38

yeah, that's it. Yeah, you know, the streets is like you in it. Yeah, dough boy, when trey has to break up the leaves, dough boy was like who you think you is, kuntakinte, so letting you know that they don't even see it as something that they should.

CMT: 34:54

Yeah, responsibility or something that a child should be doing they see the slavery raking the grass, raking the leaves, and slavery work. How's the slavery? When you finally get your own house, you're gonna need some leaves raked in your property. That ain't slave.

Chris: 35:09

That's keeping your property up to shape, you know right, but they coming from, especially with Doughboy, they coming from.

CMT: 35:16

You know his mama and the shit they was dealing with over there yeah, you look at Furious Styles' house and you look at Doughboy Mama's house. You're like oh yeah.

Chris: 35:28

Two different galaxies.

CMT: 35:29

I don't even think the paint was on that house or something. It wasn't. Yeah, there was no paint on that house. It was like they just blasted it and didn't finish the job.

Chris: 35:40

Furious, gets in the car and talks to Reva you know, thank you for giving me my son, you know, and she, she thanks him for taking him and says you always said that, you know, only a man can raise a, a man, a boy, to be a man, which I truly believe. I truly believe that I think that, uh, I think that a strong black woman could, could definitely turn out to have a, a nice, well-rounded son, right, but it's only by her pushing them in a certain way.

CMT: 36:08

She can't show them by example no, that's where you need a father, that's where you need to you need the example of a man getting up every day, going to work, and real spit. I'll just say this real quick my son treats women with so much respect. Yo and I know it's because he saw me treat his mom with so much respect. You know, like, like, when I see him interact, I'd be like, wow, he's man, he, he doing it just right.

CMT: 36:33

You know, I'm saying so and I know it's disrespect, yeah, no, yeah yeah, so I know it's from me him watching how I interact with his mom. So you know that's really important for you, for your son to see that it's very important.

Chris: 36:46

I wish more people took it, took it serious like that. You know setting examples for the young black men, right? So, uh, the first night, trey is there, the house gets broken into. What a coincidence man uh, burglar comes through the house, furious grabs the 357 man start loading them up.

CMT: 37:04

You know, that's taking the full head off.

Chris: 37:08

Yeah so he loaded furious, already know what's cracking. He's seen through the mirror somebody walking, so he already know what's cracking. He assuming that trey is sleeping but trey going to the bathroom, so in that situation could have can't turn, be ugly.

CMT: 37:22

Luckily it didn't.

Chris: 37:26

Furious fires two or three shots at the guy. The guy loses his sneaker, but he doesn't hit nobody.

CMT: 37:34

Two big ass holes in the door. Big ass holes.

Chris: 37:37

Which means it's probably two big ass holes in somebody else's door across the street. Right, that's what I was thinking.

CMT: 37:41

I was like shit, Didn't the motherfuckers hit something? The bullet's about to hit something over there too. Over there, right.

Chris: 37:48

That's why you got to be careful about when you be shooting guns in the house, because it will go through walls. Yes, sir, so they call the cops. It takes hours for the cops to show up, right, and nothing I liked about this situation with the cops it's a black cop and a white cop. In the genius of John Singleton he said I'm not even going to make the white cop racist, I'm going to make the black cop the racist Cold game. Cold game.

CMT: 38:12

I just had a recent situation where the white cop was being an ass and the black cop was being cool. So I still be like, John, you a fool for that Cause. I'm still experiencing the black cop cool as hell and the white cop is shitty as fuck. So I really trip off of that Like in reality.

Chris: 38:29

It's normal, is normally the reality. Yeah, yeah Right. So I'm glad that in this situation it happens though.

CMT: 38:39

I'm going to tell you, it happens. One time, yo, I got pulled over for doing a Hollywood stop, and by a black cat man. He was such an asshole man I couldn't believe I was just you know. But to put it to give you some more information, I was in a brand new Beamer, so he probably was like this youngster. I don't care what he do for a living, I'm hating on him. So I'm about to give him a hard time anyway.

Chris: 39:04

So you ride dirty. What'd he do for a living? I'm hating on him, so I'm about to give him a hard time. Anyway. Yeah, he thought I was riding dirty.

CMT: 39:08

But you know, hey, man, producer business all day. But you know there are some out there that just, you know, just be hating, you know, because they they in a funk or whatever is going on. So that's, I could relate to that, even though I don't see it as much, even though I experienced it. I just couldn't. I just like, when I first saw I was like, damn man, that's the same shit that cop did to me when I, when I got pulled over, you know, and from what I know, I, I knew some friends that joined the force and they say they all go into it trying to fix it. But but they all get caught up. They say after a while they, they start inheriting the behaviors of the bad cop.

Chris: 39:49

Yeah, so it happens, they get desensitized to what they got into the job for, yeah, and they become part of the problem.

CMT: 39:57

Yeah, most definitely. So that's that's you know, because this cop was definitely part of the problem. Part of the problem, yeah.

Chris: 40:08

He was definitely part of the problem. Part of the problem. Yo, he was definitely part of the problem. Oh good, uh, too bad, you didn't shoot that motherfucker. You know, I'm saying like he just wanted the dude to be dead man, real spit. It was funny because he tried to shake trey's hand. Hey, what's up, little man and furious is like going out. Exactly, he already shut it down, shut it down like this.

CMT: 40:21

Cop ain't cool from the start. Get away from this cat. You don't need to see what these dudes be talking about.

Chris: 40:28

Shut it down. And then the black cop already seen it was some smoke coming from him. He was like is there a problem, and he said something to the fact that yo, there's a problem, but too bad, you don't understand what it is.

CMT: 40:40

You don't even understand what the fuck you just did. You don't even understand what the fuck you just did. You don't even understand it.

Chris: 40:44

And I mean, first of all, he got out the car with a coffee and a donut with a coffee and a donut. Yo like this wasn't serious like it's some seriousness to it he was disrespectful yo, he was just coming out the car. Hell of disrespect like oh that's another nigga shit yeah, he just coffee and a donut, walking slow gingerly not trying to see if anything wrong not concerned at all yo told the white cop. Yeah, don't write that down.

Chris: 41:08

Nobody got killed, so yeah leave that out to report yo that was cold I love the fact that john singleton did that, just flipped the rules, because normally they make the white cop just overly racist.

CMT: 41:19

And the black cop is standing there don't say nothing, right, but it was the opposite.

Chris: 41:22

Yeah, it was the opposite but, that's part of the problem with the police department is that when you have a bad cop, his partner can't tell on him so they let it happen.

Chris: 41:31

Yep, it just goes it just keeps going yep, yeah, you know, and then the partner gets called in to find out what was going on with the cop beatings and stuff and the partner really can't tell on his partner because they got that blue line. You can't cross that blue line. You start snitching when you get in the shootout. Ain't nobody coming to help your ass.

CMT: 41:53

That's a cold game. That's a cold game, that's a cold game.

Chris: 42:00

Shout out to the good police officers. Oh yeah, because they out there, they out there, they exist.

CMT: 42:06

Shout out to that cat back in the 90s track star man track star you know he, he made sure he catch you, but you know he wasn't too hard on you know he let you know. This is my job, man, this is what I'm doing. I'm here to catch you and that's that. I ain't here to beat your ass or nothing, but I'm here to catch, I'm gonna catch you.

Chris: 42:23

I'm gonna catch you, you, I'm going to catch you. I'm going to catch you. I'm going to catch you. Hey, he's right. Shout out to Track Store. He didn't have a record of just violating people, just beating the hell out of them. He would catch you, though. Yep, he would catch you. Yeah, he'd catch you.

CMT: 42:38

And sometimes he'd let people go, oh yeah, even though he had that reputation of catching you. You know what?

Chris: 42:43

I'm saying he wasn't dirty. He wasn't a dirty cop. Yeah, he wasn't no dirty cop, he just did his job.

CMT: 42:50

And you know it pissed people off that he was doing his job. But that's really all he did, was just do his job. Yeah, he didn't take it no further than that. You know what I'm saying.

Chris: 42:56

So shout out to the good cops like that Shout out to old school oakley yeah, so we cut to a scene of um dough boy's mom cussing out dough boy as a kid. Dough boy is brushing his waves, man, and his mama's saying you ain't shit, oh just like your daddy man, you ain't gonna be shit you. All you do is eat sleep and shit.

Chris: 43:20

Oh man, she went fucking in with all that ham and sooughboy, being the smartass, was like are we done, because I got stuff to do. Hell, no, we ain't done, you little fat fuck.

CMT: 43:31

She was cool, yo, I ain't never heard a parent go in on their child like that.

Chris: 43:38

I called him a fat fuck.

CMT: 43:39

Yo she went in. That was some cold shit. Yo she whose parent doing that. Yo whose parent is calling their kid you little fat fuck that was cold in on her own son this ain't nobody else so, whatever he is, you're a part of that.

Chris: 44:02

You, you got that part.

CMT: 44:03

Be mad at yourself, be mad at your motherfucking self. Yo, you raised it, dude, exactly.

Chris: 44:08

But we find out as the movie goes on, because they got different daddies. So what I'm assuming is this is just my speculation is that she actually was in love with Ricky Daddy. Oh yeah, there was love there. Oh yeah, ricky was probably made out of love. Oh yeah, ricky was probably made out of love. Oh yeah, you know that In a real relationship.

CMT: 44:23

Oh, yeah, most definitely.

Chris: 44:24

And Doughboy's a one-nighter Mm-hmm.

CMT: 44:26

One-hitter, quitter, yep, you know that man Most definitely, and that's what she really mad about. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's all in his DNA she.

Chris: 44:40

I grew up knowing people just like that, knowing siblings where I saw their parents treat them differently. I literally saw it. Yeah, man, that's sad. One would get lunch money. One wouldn't get no lunch money. What type of shit is that? That's cold, yo, that's cold. My partners, derek and Rob, they about a year or two apart and I would literally see their mother give one money and one don't get no money.

CMT: 45:03

That is crazy. That's some crazy shit. They had different daddies. They both your sons. They both your sons.

Chris: 45:09

They both going to the same school, but you give one no lunch money.

CMT: 45:16

Hey, that's something I've actually never seen, but that's that's good that they put that in there. You asked, you, you've seen it, so I couldn't relate to that. Put that in there because you actually you, you've seen it, so I couldn't relate to that. But that man yeah, I saw it that was something new that I learned, that you know.

Chris: 45:30

Oh, that's how it could really be if you got different that's when I started seeing you know, in middle school. That's why I said middle school woke my game up. That's when I start. When I would go to my homeboy's house, I started seeing how evil adults could be. So I started seeing shit like that. I started seeing my friends get beat, not just get a whooping, because we all got whooping. I'm talking about get beat Like get hit with the fucking lamp and shit.

Chris: 45:58

Yeah shit like that. I seen my partner mama hit him with a lamp because he brought home the wrong cigarettes. She was like what the fuck is this Bow wow? Get out of here yo chris, get the fuck out, kick me out wow so she could continue beating his ass on some cigarettes.

Chris: 46:13

This is the shit I've seen. So that's why I'm just like I've seen the evil in not only not only the adults, but also in the kids. Like I said, I got when I got the gun put on me at 14, about another 14 yearold that we went to school with. So I seen both sides. But that age, that 13 through 15, middle school, woke me up to the point to where even my own parents thought I was different. Going to the middle school we went to which I won't name, but going to that middle school they to which I won't name, but going to that middle school they saw that their son was different, a little bit harder, a little bit quieter, didn't talk as much so they saw the change.

CMT: 46:50

I saw you change too, but they didn't understand why.

Chris: 46:53

Right, right y'all motherfuckers, threw me in the jungle of wolves. I gotta navigate through this shit by myself. Yeah, literally by myself. Yeah, so I learned how to make allies over here. You know, stronger allies that if I got into some shit, they can help me get out of it. Uh, there was a kid from my neighborhood another story, side story. There's a kid from my neighborhood named jamal. Rest in peace. He's no longer here with us. Jamal had beef with this other kid and I remember sitting in english class and jamal came up in english class with a shotgun looking for dude. He did. He did not come to school that day. Fortunately the kid was not at school that day. But jamal came in english class with a shotgun wow, ready to kill him.

Chris: 47:38

Wow, we are 13 at the time, wow so just imagine seeing all that shit trying to process it. You can't tell your parents about it because they don't. They wouldn't know what the fuck to do. You know my parents most likely just pulled me out, put me in another school, but all that same shit going around at all open schools so there's nowhere you can put me.

CMT: 47:58

There's gonna be safe hey, man, when we was at bret hart my sister was at fremont high, so she I remember her telling me about a stabbing that happened. I was like people get stabbed at your school.

Chris: 48:12

You feel me? Yeah, we were still kids, man. We didn't know nothing about stabbings and killings and stuff like that, so that stuff.

Chris: 48:20

You know, middle school woke my game up and it turned me into a different person. My parents, my parents, saw it. I don't think they even knew what to do about it, because they never really did Like we're going to put you in counseling and shit like that. They kind of just like, as long as he coming home every night with no scars, police ain't looking for him, we kind of just going to let Chris be. But they did see that it changed, that I had changed, because later on, when I became an adult, we had these conversations and everything I'm telling you.

Chris: 48:49

I told them and it was like I wish you would have told them.

CMT: 48:52

But y'all don't do it.

Chris: 48:54

Y'all from the country I'm a city kid.

CMT: 48:56

This is different.

Chris: 48:58

It's a different ball game out here and it's gunplay.

CMT: 49:01

Yeah.

Chris: 49:08

Y'all from the 40s and 50s south. It's fist play out. Here's gunplay. You snitch on somebody out here. They're gonna kill you like they're not playing not playing.

Chris: 49:12

So it's. You know it's a different ball game. We get the dole boy's mother cussing him out, saying he ain't shitty, just like his daddy. And then trey walks up on the steps to visit Ricky and the mother comes out and says oh you, a furious little boy, huh, looking just like your dad. You can kind of tell, and I want to know your opinion on it. You can kind of tell that His mother always was attracted to furious. But it feels like at some point in time even furious, being a single dude, was probably like I ain't fucking with you.

CMT: 49:47

Oh yeah, well, I mean, he said he was like she wouldn't talk so much. You know she probably have a chance. You know what I'm saying. But you can see in that character he probably, he probably thought she was attractive and then started talking to her. Yeah, and then started talking to her yeah, and then he was talking to her like fuck, I just can't mess with her though. Yeah, because they ride across the street from each other. That'd be easy, That'd be easy.

Chris: 50:09

That'd be the easy hit. But look what you got to deal with she cussing at her kids. One of her sons is a good kid, but the other one he's a fucking super gangster. Turned out to be a super gangster, so it's like fierce is like uh-uh yeah, I'm not dealing with that shit over there, but you could tell that yeah, something could have happened.

CMT: 50:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was interested in the beginning and then found out he can't be interested. Let her go. Yeah, her kids is wild over there.

Chris: 50:41

So the fellas as kids, the fellas go. Chris, chris takes the fellas to go see a dead body. Ricky has his football with him that his father gave to him so and Doughboy's telling him don't take the damn ball.

CMT: 50:59

Because you know what type of niggas is about to be over here.

Chris: 51:01

Walking past all the gangbangers. They want to throw the football. They're going to take the damn ball Because you know what type of niggas is about to be over here. Pass all the gangbangers. They want to throw the football.

CMT: 51:04

They're going to take the damn ball. They're going to take your shit yo they take.

Chris: 51:07

Ricky's ball. Another thing I thought was dope that John Singleton showed was that when they take the ball, they show the protectiveness that Doughboy has for Ricky, because Doughboy fought, a teenage kid, to get his brother's ball back man and got his ass kicked.

CMT: 51:24

Got his ass kicked, but hey, man that's what he did for his brother. Yeah Well, anything for his brother anything, even though they had different fathers. That's still my brother Still my brother you know what I'm saying and I'm going to do whatever I need to protect him. Fought a kid way bigger than him, way bigger than him. Got his ass whooped. Ain't bigger than him. Way bigger than him. He got his ass whooped, kicked in the stomach, man.

Chris: 51:42

Everything, man. It always showed that. I'm glad he showed that because it showed that Doughboy always had his brothers back. There was never the kids never made a difference. The mother that made the difference. They was always brothers. They always had love for each other. But it's the parents that bring in the bullshit. You know what I'm saying. When they gave the ball back to Ricky the one gangster who gave it back he saw that that little boy was hurt. I'm glad that he showed that there was some compassion in the gangster.

CMT: 52:12

Like gangsters ain't always hard 24-7. Like okay, hard like that, yeah, yeah. He looked at Ricky and was like we about to have this boy crying? Give me the ball, man, let me throw it back to Louie. Yeah, right, exactly, this is his ball. This is his ball. Yeah, we out of pocket. You see we hurting this little dude, right, exactly.

Chris: 52:28

He's hurting over this shit Because Ricky looked back. One last time.

CMT: 52:31

Yeah, he looked one more time like damn man, you really going to throw my ball?

Chris: 52:35

I ain't going he was so sad to just watch that last one, yeah.

CMT: 52:40

So you have to give it back. He's like man, this is dude's life. I got to give him the ball.

Chris: 52:45

That ball is his life, yep, and we see later on it did turn out to be his life. Football was everything to him, so that not only was that a ball that his dad gave to him, but that ball was his way of getting out of the hood.

CMT: 53:03

That football meant everything to him in a lot of ways.

Chris: 53:05

Right, you know what I'm saying even though he couldn't catch at the time, even though he was like you, sorry, like you sorry so trey trey and his dad go on a fishing trip, and this one they have. They have to talk about, uh, fatherhood and raising a child, and he tells them that you know only a man, you know anybody can have a can can make a child, but only a man can raise.

CMT: 53:31

Hey man, that was his child that that's a bar man, because you got I mean first of all we we learning how to. You know, I'm just keeping the buck fuck these women at a very young age and we shouldn't be having those train of thoughts at a very young age. We shouldn't be thinking about no family and no shit like that till we got our shit, till we got paper and all this shit together.

Chris: 53:56

So you know I'm 100% against couples starting families too young 19 and 20.

CMT: 54:06

You don't even know who you are yet. Yeah, that part you don't know who you are.

Chris: 54:10

And a high percentage of y'all are going to eventually outgrow each other, just naturally.

CMT: 54:15

Not no cheating or no shit going on yeah just because You're becoming adults, you're changing at that point. You're changing, Yep? You're changing what?

Chris: 54:22

she wants at 29 is different than what she wanted at 19. At 19, she only wanted you. Now she wants a career, yep. She want a mansion. She wants things in life.

CMT: 54:32

She know what's more important in life than just, you know, having a man, yeah.

Chris: 54:37

Things change. You know what I'm saying, so I've always been. You know what I'm saying, so I've always been, you know, and I started off young with kids.

CMT: 54:43

So I'm not, you know, I'm. I'm throwing stones from a glass house myself. Hey, that's why, yeah, that's why I could relate, because I kind of felt like I needed that conversation. I wouldn't have had this kid.

Chris: 54:54

You know what I'm saying. I needed that conversation, hey, hey, I wish somebody, even my own, I wish my father would say chris, just wait till you get around 30 before you even think about having a kid Before you even think about it. Yeah, so you can understand who you need to become first. Because it's not just financially being ready, but are you ready up here to handle another human being, depending on you?

CMT: 55:17

for survival.

Chris: 55:19

It's a whole different ballgame for survival. It's a whole different ballgame.

CMT: 55:21

When you're young, all you're thinking about is just really taking care of that seed. You know what I'm saying. You're not really focused on yourself, no more. You focused on what I need to do to make sure they got clothes on and food and shelter and all that.

Chris: 55:39

Your focus changes as a human being, yeah exactly.

CMT: 55:44

You need them 20s man man to figure out who you are and it's kind of hard to navigate when you got kids it is, it is, it is.

Chris: 55:50

And having kids young, when you're in a profession where you might have to move around like even you being a producer, uh, or even if you was in corporate american had to travel a lot yeah, that hinders some of that traveling. Oh yeah, because you just can't be leaving your kids like that so you might lose a lot of opportunities man.

CMT: 56:06

I lost a lot of opportunities. Man doing a lot of traveling during them times you know, my kids not really getting that, that bond that I needed to have by the time I was done, you know yeah, yeah, that's people.

Chris: 56:19

People need to think about that. You know, get your life, figure out what you want to do with your life. Then when you have a kid, you know you've kind of got it kind of figured out, yeah, but at 19, you don't have nothing figured out at 19. Barely trying to get yourself together you might have just moved out of your parents' house at 19.

CMT: 56:33

Yeah.

Chris: 56:35

After they come from a fishing trip, trey and Furious and his father, they pull in the driveway and they see Chris and Doughboy going to jail. And this is the last time we see either one of them until they become teenagers, adults or whatever. But this is a point that I really want to point out. You saw the frustration in Furious' face when he saw that.

CMT: 57:00

He was hurt that they was going to jail.

Chris: 57:02

Oh yeah, yeah, it was like it was his own kid, yeah so I don't want to make it seem like Furious didn't give a fuck.

CMT: 57:07

No, not at all. He cared about them kids. Yeah, yeah.

Chris: 57:09

And that was he'd spent around. He did one of these like damn, yeah, like man, fuck, I did not want to see your son looking at their friends going to jail and now you got to go in the house and explain this why you might not have your friends for the next 10 years. You know that's a tough conversation, man, that's a tough. Before we had went into middle school, my dad was he was lightweight, having a conversation saying things going to be different going up to where you're going to and you're not going to have the same friends when you leave that school. School, and now I understand kind of what he was saying was like a lot of my friends go to jail, get killed, stuff like that. And then that three-year span of us going to the middle school we went to, I did lose a lot of friends to jail, to death, and that's a lot. And I never fully processed that in my head that other kids that were the same age as me didn't make it out of middle school.

Chris: 58:07

middle school, yo, crazy, crazy crazy, crazy when I think about as a 52 year old man, I'm like that's crazy. I started losing friends at 13 years old and it never stopped. After that, it never stopped.

CMT: 58:23

That is mind-boggling for me to think of that now, like damn.

Chris: 58:27

Yeah, man, and now that I'm older I'm like we really should have got help. They really should have had counselors up there for us, man they really should have. That was a lot for a 12 and 13 year old kid to deal with back then losing friends to gun violence in the 80s and nobody that we had no help, no, we had nobody. Say how do you feel? Yeah about this?

CMT: 58:48

yeah like yeah, I'm sure I, I'm sure, man, you know it's crazy. You say that because when it was happening, I'm sure my mom and pops didn't know how to deal with what was going on. You know I'm saying so, yeah, I do remember like not having no one to talk to and just just kind of like like this is life. You know I'm saying it was.

Chris: 59:09

it just became a day in the life, yeah, and you just prayed that it wouldn't happen to you, yeah, but it didn't. You almost had to pull in, put up a, a shield or some armor to kind of get you through it mentally like I'm just gonna going to tough this shit out, and no 13-year-old should have to tough out losing friends. You know, over this, I remember one summer I want to say this is the last summer we was up there, so it might have been 85, 86, whatever shit. I lost four friends that summer, same age as me.

CMT: 59:43

So and they're I'm talking about from school street, like from where I'm from, and nobody asked me how I was doing about that. I remember I was hearing about school street a lot then too.

Chris: 59:48

School street was cracking. It was cracking. We had OGs, we had youngsters, but nobody asked me, including my parents, right? How do you feel about this? What's going on with you?

CMT: 1:00:00

Right.

Chris: 1:00:01

Right, these are dudes you was hanging out with and they're gone forever. Yeah, how do you feel about that? Not one person asked me that shit that's crazy, so I had to just get through it and just deal with it, process it in my own way and I, I know, even to to this day at 52, there's some of that I still haven't. To this day at 52, there's some of that I still haven't completely, uh, processed right of losing those people.

CMT: 1:00:28

You know what I'm saying. I'm sure it's a lot of it, because my mother had a daycare for almost 40 years, right.

Chris: 1:00:33

So not only was these kids from the neighborhood, they went to my mother's daycare, so I see them every day. He was really really and at school, yeah, and at fruville, on the playground. So we talking about somebody's ingrained into my life oh yeah, gone.

Chris: 1:00:49

Yeah, it's like losing a sibling yeah, it's basically like losing a sibling, and to the point to where I was losing so many friends that my mother stopped taking me to their funerals. She literally was like we're not doing no more funerals, wow, because you come back, sad, different're not doing no more funerals Wow, because you come back, sad, different.

CMT: 1:01:05

You don't want to talk for weeks after that. No, youngsters should be going through that.

Chris: 1:01:08

After about the sixth person that passed away by the time I got about 14, 15, she was like we're not doing no more.

CMT: 1:01:28

Yeah, that's the point. We'll send them flowers and cars and shit, but you ain't going no more. Yeah, the only time you should be going to funerals is, you know, the elderly. You know what I'm saying because you can understand them. Living a full life but not understanding people not living a full life.

Chris: 1:01:33

That's. That's hard to swallow. So part of the reason why I'm bringing up the story is that some of us and I'm putting myself in there yeah, and even at this age of 52, sometimes things happen in life, stresses happen, and the way we deal with it makes us seem a little bit crazy, a little bit off. But you don't understand where we come from. You got to be where we come from to understand why we process shit the way we process it. Yeah, that part, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, pulling up to the red light and leaving just enough space to get get up out of there, that's the reason why we ride like this strapped in hand, right leaving enough space to out of there.

Chris: 1:02:12

Yeah, man, always looking in the rear view, whether you ride dirty or not in the rear view.

CMT: 1:02:17

You're looking in the mirrors.

Chris: 1:02:19

We came from an environment that, if you wasn't on point like that, that's your ass you done yeah so now, when people who didn't grow up with me see me move that way, it looks crazy to me. Like chris, you legit your car tags, man. I'm just from a different place, different era, different era.

CMT: 1:02:39

I'm always on point you're right, I'm always on point.

Chris: 1:02:41

You're right, I'm always on point. Yeah To a default. It's just setting my mind. Yeah, be able to get up out of there no matter what happens. Get up, never get stuck. Always be able to get up out of the situation.

CMT: 1:02:56

Hey, that's funny you mention that man. I remember last year, when it was really getting really bad with the uh jacket, some suv pulled up in front of me and you know, with the gentrification they got these little dividers right at the stoplight, these little I don't know what they look like poles, but they're really soft.

CMT: 1:03:22

They can, you can, move it but, yeah, so I remember, uh, the suv stopped, the light turned green, but the suv stopped in the middle intersection and I was almost close to where those little dividers were, but I I was back enough, just so, just in case this suv tries something. You know what I'm saying, but that's just, that's just the instinct I have. You know, they didn't do nothing but my instinct said, all right, I better stay right here in case some funny shit going on. But that comes from, you know, being in the town for years. You know it.

Chris: 1:03:55

Just, it built me like that you know what I'm saying, like the average cat would have.

CMT: 1:03:58

Just they probably would have got jacked because you know they don't know how it go. But you know, once I seen the movement I was like, okay, I see what y'all on.

Chris: 1:04:10

But you instantly recognize irregular movement, Irregular stuff man being from the town.

CMT: 1:04:15

Exactly that shit ain't normal. It ain't normal why they stopping like that why you stopping like that?

Chris: 1:04:26

And I'm sure they was on it, but because they saw I was on it, they was like, well, he on it, I ain't, we ain't about to.

CMT: 1:04:30

Yeah, it's gonna be tough to get him, we might have to take a couple bullets, so let's just they just end up breaking out.

Chris: 1:04:33

But yeah, I mean, even at the point in my life now to where, when I walk into certain places you know I might walk to to get, you know, a soda, or out of the liquor store or something like that Just normal place that you would normally go to, I'm always aware of my surroundings and I'm always aware of who's in the aisles. When I walk into the store, I'm looking. I'm looking because you never know, I never know what they own.

CMT: 1:04:57

Yo, you don't know what they own or they back there getting their guns loaded, getting ready to rob the store Like.

Chris: 1:05:02

I? You don't know what they own. Are they back there getting their guns loaded? You ready to rob the store, like I'm always very aware, but as I get older, what I'm peeping, though, and I don't know.

CMT: 1:05:15

If you experience the same thing too is like when other, when the youngsters see that you're aware you get a certain level of respect.

Chris: 1:05:18

I always get a what's up OG you go before me OG.

CMT: 1:05:19

I'm good man.

Chris: 1:05:20

You go ahead of me man.

CMT: 1:05:21

Yeah, it's a different level. They looking like he on it.

Chris: 1:05:24

He know what time it is. You know what I'm saying. Most definitely, most definitely. They can tell when you on top of your shit. You know what I'm saying. So that's always crazy to me Because, being a kid around my father and once again, him being from the south, never having to deal with that, never had to deal with that, he never rode around with that type of paranoia.

Chris: 1:05:50

Even in oakland he just lived his life right. But me, going through all that trauma right as a child and growing up to adult in oakland, it's different for me, yeah yeah, it's different when I ride around, you know what? I'm saying as it should be it should be.

CMT: 1:06:00

So, even in a nicer area, which I am now right, I I ride around. You know what I'm saying because it should be it should be.

Chris: 1:06:02

So even in a nicer area, which I am now right, I still ride around this same yeah man, vigilance, like ain't nobody about to do shit to me I mean I?

CMT: 1:06:11

I always say, man, our environment prepared us for wherever we go after that you know what I'm saying, because it was really you know it was tough, because it most of the time it didn't look like it was tough, like our area didn't look rough, did not look rough. But you know you was going to experience something rough.

Chris: 1:06:30

It did not look rough, but you was definitely going to experience some shit.

CMT: 1:06:33

Right, yeah, definitely yeah so I always felt like you know, if you can make it around here through the bullshit, you're going to definitely be all right everywhere else.

Chris: 1:06:43

I seen an interview with Too Short one time and Too Short said something that summarizes Oakland. He said you can line up 10 dudes from Oakland and you'll never be able to tell who is the most violent. That's how Oakland dudes operate. You'll never be able to tell which one is the actual killer Because there'll be dudes like you with glasses dudes like me, facial cut might have families and everything you would never tell who got the body.

CMT: 1:07:09

Yo man, the whole little partner regime freaked me out yo, because none of them look like mass murderers or nothing like that.

Chris: 1:07:18

None of them. They was hard as fuck yo. They all looked like nice guys. That's right, they all looked like nice guys, but they was knocking shit down left and right.

CMT: 1:07:31

Yo that yo.

Chris: 1:07:33

To where, even 30 years later, people understand like that crew was not to be fucked with.

CMT: 1:07:38

Not to be fucked with, yo, not to be fucked with Not to be fucked with no, no, no and even to this day, the ones who survived, the ones who survived, they still get respect, yeah, and they still look like they not with the shit. They still look like they was never a part of it. I look at them and I'll be like you was doing that. What Dude. And they, you know.

Chris: 1:08:03

They grandfathers now, great grandfathers, yeah, and and they still with the business if you bring it to them, yeah, that part, bring it to them.

CMT: 1:08:06

They still with the business that's what I learned.

Chris: 1:08:08

Yeah, I remember too short saying that and I was just like damn. That does summarize oakland and why you have to move a certain way, because you never know who the killer is. You just never know you in a club. It might be 300 people in there and 150 of them is killers, but then they're partying and shit, so you're not even thinking like that, and that's another thing. When I was a youngster it got so rough in the town when I went to the clubs. I was a dude with my back up against the wall because I started seeing the gangsters and thugs on the wall. But now that I'm old I'm realizing they was looking for prey. Whether it's a female or a nigga, they can jack.

CMT: 1:08:49

That's why they wouldn't dance that's why they wouldn't dance you know what I'm saying.

Chris: 1:08:54

So as I got older and started hanging around certain people, they put me up on that like yo, you out there dancing, having a good time. It's motherfucking scoping out what you wearing. You watch all this shit and they going to get you. When you leave the club, though, because you out here playing and they on some real shit, and it just changed my mentality. Even to this day, I'm almost the same way in the club I just chill and relax, bump to the music a little bit, but I'm always just peeping the scene. Chill and relax, bump to the music a little bit, but I'm always just peeping the scene. I'm never the dude in the middle of the dance floor doing hammer time. That's not happening, because I don't want to get caught off guard If shit cracks off.

CMT: 1:09:31

That kind of goes back to. I remember seeing Ice-T in an interview talk about the P&D situation or P&B with the rapper. He was saying man, californians have learned not to floss too hard. We've learned to just be in the background, even as celebrities. You know what I'm saying. We know, like these cats out here don't play, they don't care who you are. So you know, I think we definitely learn how to move as far as, like you know, even when we got paper, we know how to keep the suckers away. When you know, when you balling like that, that's what, definitely what Oakland do.

Chris: 1:10:11

Like we know, we have to tone it down, depending on where we at Exactly and we. We put our, our survival above being flashy that part and just being the dude who flexing on people. Flexing gets you killed. Flexing gets you popped yo In the town.

Chris: 1:10:30

That's what was happening. You wasn't just getting robbed, they was killing you and just taking your shit. And it's still happening to this day. Yeah, there's dudes riding around flexing. They just killing them and taking their shit. So you learn how to just look. I'm going to go to the club, I might wear one watch, and that's all the stuff I'm going to do tonight. I'm wearing all these chains, the earring, the diamond. I'm taking all that shit out because I know the wolves they watching, even if you don't see them they're watching?

CMT: 1:10:57

Oh yeah, most definitely, man. Hey, man, one time we was at and this was when, I think, biggie just passed we went out to New York, went to this club out there, and we was with DJ Clark Kent. Shout out DJ Clark Kent. We came in there. He actually didn't meet us. He was already inside. He told us to come through. We come in there. We get inside, we looking for Clark Kent. I don't meet. He was already inside. He told us to come through. We come in there. We get inside, we looking for Clark Kent. We, he, I don't know, I think he was spinning or whatever, but somehow we didn't. We didn't meet up with him yet. So his boys saw us and was like fresh meat we had on rollies and everything. Oh yeah, it was. They was about to get us. Yo, they was about to get us. We walked up in there and we was deep, but they still was going to try us Because you in there.

CMT: 1:11:45

Exactly we in their neighborhood, man Shoot man, we was getting ready. We finally meet up with him and he goes hey, man, you lucky you with me, because my boys was ready to get y'all. I was like, whoo, I'm so glad we're with you because, man, it could have been all ugly it's good to know people, man, it's good to know people especially out of town you know all that checking in matters, sometimes when you're going to be in clubs and out and about.

Chris: 1:12:13

It's good to check in sometimes you know what?

CMT: 1:12:17

checking in was a thing before the internet even though they was talking about it on the internet. I was like that this is way before way before 30 years.

Chris: 1:12:27

Yes, yes, people started talking about people, always been called hey man, I'm on my way down and just you know.

CMT: 1:12:33

Yes, look out for me yes, you had to do that way before the internet buddy so yeah, you know you want to survive if you want to do business. If you want to be out here and do business, then you better know somebody who better know somebody who running it out.

Chris: 1:12:46

Wolves are watching Yep. So we get to the movie where, seven years later, doughboy is having a welcome home party. So you know, we're to assume he went to prison. And I think he does say he went to prison, yeah, and they have a party in his mom's backyard. And his prison, yeah, and they have a party in his mom's backyard and, um, his mom tells his mom stops trey and tells him to talk to him. You know, could you talk some sense into him? Maybe what you got can rub off? He says just like that. And so he says he's going to talk to him. But you can instantly tell that the way dough boy sees trey, he sees trey is a sucker. He don't see him as a real one. So there's no way he would ever listen to anything Trey had to say Of course not.

CMT: 1:13:29

He's been in the pen, so he's like. I probably had to kill some niggas to save my life and you trying to tell me how to live. I ain't about to listen to your ass. You a punk.

Chris: 1:13:41

When Trey said you like what I got on man, he was like nigga, you look like you selling rocks, Ultimate disrespect right there.

CMT: 1:13:50

Like I'm not respecting you? No, not at all.

Chris: 1:13:54

Now the one thing I can say that was dope about the casting on this part of it. John Singleton picked the perfect person for Trey Because Cuba Gooden looks so out of place, but that's actually how he is in real life. He's really a valley kid who could be seen to be out of place because that's how he really is. So when he walked into the party looking hella, nerdy and shit, that's actually him acting how he normally acts.

CMT: 1:14:21

That's him being him.

Chris: 1:14:24

That's why it looks so perfect.

CMT: 1:14:25

I can relate to that. I was wearing that type of stuff man I had the flat top and the button downs we had a.

Chris: 1:14:32

What was the name? The oak tree. It was a store called the oak tree.

CMT: 1:14:36

That was my spot, man hey man, I used to buy the pays, the partially uh, I mean the paisley uh shirts. You know what I'm saying, man, the oak tree used to hook it. Paisley shirts. You know what I'm saying?

Chris: 1:14:43

Man the oak tree used to hook it up and get the whole fit. Oak tree was the spot y'all.

CMT: 1:14:47

The baggy pants and all of that man. That was old school the oak tree MC Hammering all day.

Chris: 1:14:53

Now what I do want to say about the mom. So we're not going to bash the mom, no, what I do want to say is that she seemed to have matured because you peeped it, oh yeah she wanted positivity out of dough boy she wasn't cussing at him, so you could tell her maturity changed. She wanted good things for you almost.

CMT: 1:15:13

She almost looked like a black, righteous, uh woman with the gear she was wearing for a minute. Yeah, you're right. You're right, you can tell that she changed.

Chris: 1:15:20

you can tell that she changed you can tell that she really did want the best for Doughboy. Like she said, I'm tired of him going in and out of jail. Can you just talk to him? But she was more. I see more positivity coming out of her vibe than earlier, when he was a kid.

CMT: 1:15:40

She was cussing him out and doing all that extra.

Chris: 1:15:43

And I'm glad John showed that, because people do change over time. People do change, yeah, people change. You can be a ratchet-ass baby mama and then become a good Christian woman 10 years later.

CMT: 1:15:54

I know a lot of them. You see what I'm saying, so.

Chris: 1:15:56

I'm glad he showed that change in the way she thought about her son and him wanting to be a better person and stay out of jail and stuff like that. And almost like she said, she wanted some of that goodness of Trey to just rub off on him, like maybe if you hang around him he'll just start acting different, but we know in reality that was never going to happen. That was never going to happen To me.

CMT: 1:16:20

She called him too many fat fucks.

Chris: 1:16:22

I mean it's too much damage, it's too much damage done too much emotion.

CMT: 1:16:27

Look how he was talking when he came out. You know let hoes gotta eat too. So you know he definitely was used to the fat fuck shit too much damage after the barbecue trey.

Chris: 1:16:41

Is walking home with a plate for his dad and he runs into Ferris and the guys in the red.

CMT: 1:16:47

It looks like a Jetta or Hyundai, the first Hyundais, y'all First Hyundais.

Chris: 1:16:51

They ran to the guy in the red Hyundai, so I'm assuming that means they bloods. I don't know yeah, because they were wearing bull stuff so I'm assuming they was blood, but they really never.

CMT: 1:17:00

They didn't cover that, but which was cool. He wanted to stay out of that. Yeah lane, yeah uh, but you knew because you know you I'm sure in the songs you heard bull, you know, disrespect all that stuff.

Chris: 1:17:12

So you know all type of stuff so, yeah, it was so they pull the shotgun on trey and trey kind of stands like a g like you gonna blow my head off shoot this. You're only two feet away from him. I'm gonna be dead either way it go.

CMT: 1:17:24

Either way it go.

Chris: 1:17:25

But it seemed like they were just riding around just playing with people and it's like what type of clown ass niggas was he who rides around doing shit like?

CMT: 1:17:32

that Right? Who the fuck? I don't know nobody, who do no shit like that.

Chris: 1:17:35

You wouldn't survive five minutes in Oakland 90s riding around pointing guns at people.

CMT: 1:17:41

No because some other cat going to be going to start shooting from the side, like, did you see that? Pop, pop, pop, pop. Yeah, you can't do that, man.

Chris: 1:17:51

You cannot do that, I'm hoping that John putting this in there was just on some cinematic shit just to make it more dramatic, and I'm hoping it wasn't people that was really riding around pointing guns at people and not pulling the trigger and not right that part yeah.

CMT: 1:18:07

That part was a little confusing. That was confusing yeah, Because I was like man.

Chris: 1:18:11

Because they were supposed to be real gangsters, right, so real gangsters don't even move like that.

CMT: 1:18:15

Yeah, exactly.

Chris: 1:18:16

So you know movie and it could have been because he was gonna. He was gonna bring them characters back later, right? So maybe you just like.

CMT: 1:18:22

Okay, let me introduce him on some let me yeah, let me introduce them, as these are the dangerous people, yeah, these are the dangerous people in the movie, because it really because everybody was kind of friends and family in the movie except them, yep, so it was like you know the antagonist.

Chris: 1:18:37

We should say trey takes the plate of food home to his dad and his dad starts cutting his hair and he tells a lie about having sex with. She's a baddie, like the homegirl was bad, hold on.

CMT: 1:18:50

Let's just stop there, because we are in the age where bodies aren't real these days.

CMT: 1:18:57

So when, I watched that, went back and watched that. I was like, oh, can we go back to the days when the bodies are real, real ass and titties. Can I get some of that? Can I get some of that? Yo, it's every. You know this is off subject, but man, I just recently went down south and the brothers here in California we always talk about hey, man, let's go down south because you know it's going to be some thick ass women down there and I go down there and they got ass shots. I'm like, well, what? What happened, man? I thought it was in the water. What happened? It's a thing now, man.

Chris: 1:19:32

It's just what they're doing. It's what's attracting the ballers.

CMT: 1:19:36

Yeah, Basketball players you know the athletes, athletes, the entertainers, because that's really what it's kind of about.

Chris: 1:19:41

They're gonna catch somebody. Catch something, yeah, they're gonna catch somebody. Yeah, um, I'm not gonna say her name, but she's been in the news recently because she she just had a, she's having a baby with the basketball player that's 17 years younger than her. I know you're talking about. Yeah, but she also has a baby with an nfl player and a whole nother basketball player that's three't know that Three athletes.

Chris: 1:20:01

I didn't know that one. You got women out here doing that. Oh wow, they like I ain't never working for the rest of my life. These three niggas about to pay me forever, Long, long as they keep their bodies up.

Chris: 1:20:13

So that's where the shots and the fake titties and all that shit come from, cause this particular woman is 39, so you would think she'd be done. She about to have a brand new baby. For a 20 year old basketball player that's worth about 80 million. So she good and she know that. So in about 10, 15 years she gonna do it again. Oh yeah, she's gonna be in her. She gonna do it again and catch some other food.

Chris: 1:20:37

So it, that's. Unfortunately. That's what's going on. But uh, to your statement, the chick that trey was lying about she was all natural and fine as fine as hell yeah, to put some women nowadays to shame, oh yes, on how bad she was all natural body. He tells his father this lie and it confused me also because I'm like why would you send me this lie to your dad like that? That's what I'm saying.

CMT: 1:21:02

Where did that even come from? That's what I'm saying. I've lied to my homies about you know smashing, but I don't think I would lie to my partner. When you're a kid, you lie to your partners. Yeah, 13, 14 years. But you're 17 and you're lying to your dad about having sex. Yeah, that was weird to me having sex. Yeah, that was weird to me and not knowing that your parents know you like clockwork.

Chris: 1:21:24

They know if you fucking or not, you can smell it on your kids.

CMT: 1:21:26

Yep, or they can have some pussy. Oh yeah, you can smell it. You move different.

Chris: 1:21:30

You move totally different. You move with a level of confidence that you never had before. Like you know what I'm saying. So that was always kind of weird though, though, that he lied to him and told him that. But it just goes to show you, before he lied to him, furious, going back to what you had said before, furious said about dough boy's mama. She might have had a chance if she didn't talk so much. So, going back to that, I think there could have been something, or maybe there was even an exchange yeah, maybe they did.

CMT: 1:22:05

You know, I wish we could have.

Chris: 1:22:07

I wish they would have showed something in the movie where like at one point in time they was fucking uh-huh, and then it stopped right out of nowhere right, because fears is like everything you too, wild ratchet for me you're just a little bit too ratchet. Yeah, you know, I wish they would have just kind of explained, because you can tell there was an attraction. He thought she was a cute woman, she thought he was a handsome man, and y'all live across the street from each other, so it would have been an easy smash.

CMT: 1:22:33

It's an easy relationship.

Chris: 1:22:35

It's an easy relationship but for some reason it just kind of didn't happen. But you can tell from trey's mother that he would never settle down with doughboys. A mother like doughboys coming from trey's mom oh yeah, educated, sophisticated he not going from that to the ratchet.

Chris: 1:22:55

You can't go backwards furious would have never done no shit like that. He might have hit it. Oh, he never would have gotten to no full relationship with her, unfortunately, because I think he could have helped her mature a lot better. Like that type of woman needs a furious. Yeah, that's what people need to understand. Those type of women they, they, they want change, they want a leader in their life, but they have so many ratchet ass dudes that they see the world only one way. And sometimes a woman like that would need a furious to say no, no, no, no.

Chris: 1:23:28

Let me show you how men are supposed to move. Let me take you out on a date, not just fuck you in the back of a car. Let me show you what a date actually looks like and how to court a woman Right and you know, know and stuff like that. So those type of women have never gotten that done to them, so they don't know that life looks different to them the way they see life looks different to me and I've seen a lot of women stay that way. Some of them got out of it. You know, it just depends. It depends. Yeah, trey is riding with ricky and they have a real moment where he tells him that he told his dad a lie. And then Ricky says why you lie to your dad? And he was like because I was scared. And then Ricky laughs at him. And that's going back to what I was saying before. It's like we don't really have nobody to talk to as young black men and when we tell our partners, he got laughed at.

CMT: 1:24:22

You're still a person that don't understand what he's going through.

Chris: 1:24:26

Has no idea what he's going through.

CMT: 1:24:30

Because you know he young too.

Chris: 1:24:32

So we end up bottling up all these emotions of shit we want to talk about and we don't really get a chance to talk about them until we like our age in our 50s. To where we're discussing the shit we went through at 14 14 right, we should have had these conversations at 14, real spit, with professionals who can kind of help us navigate through this shit, if it wasn't gonna be our parents, you know I'm saying, yeah, some type of mentorship yeah, because what he, what he told ricky was that.

Chris: 1:24:58

What trey told ricky was like man, I'm afraid to have a kid, I don't want to be no daddy. And that's when ricky shut up like oh yeah, my bad yeah, because he understood.

CMT: 1:25:07

He's like yeah because, uh, that's what I'm dealing with that's what I'm doing right now.

Chris: 1:25:10

My baby mama live with us. Exactly. Ricky was living that that life. Baby mama living there, his older brother living there banging out mama still ain't got no man. Reva calls trey and gets into an argument, going back to reva's trey's mom, for people who, uh, trying to catch up, reva calls trey but she gets into an argument with furious about trey and it's kind of letting you know that their parenting decisions are a little bit different. How she feels about how Trey should be raised is totally different than how Furious feels, and that's kind of natural because he's a man.

Chris: 1:25:54

We want to raise our sons to a certain standard than maybe a woman would Most definitely, because a woman would see him as a baby, and that's one of the things he said on the phone. He's like he's not a baby man. He's not a baby, no more.

CMT: 1:26:06

He's not a baby, no more.

Chris: 1:26:07

You got to let him live his life. And sometimes it's hard to tell a mother who especially if she's a young mother, because basically that means that she grew up with a child, she grew, she turned into adult as she was raising a child so that child is like her, everything. It's hard to tell that same woman let him go, yep, yep. Some women literally like fuck you, I'm not letting him go, that's my baby you always hear that a woman's about.

Chris: 1:26:35

That's my baby, yeah, it's like, hold on, I'm the dad too. Now, exactly, I do get to say so, exactly. So I'm glad and I'm glad that you know, as they say now standing on, but I'm glad fear is stood on business like, no, my son, he's staying, he's staying here. I've raised him to this point. Yeah, he's good, yeah, good grades. Ain't been to jail, none of that stuff. Why would we ever even deviate from? Yeah, why are we stopping?

CMT: 1:27:00

Yeah, the plan is working. It's working Exactly. You want to back with you, exactly Because you got your life Right, exactly Because you feeling lonely and left out and it's like this ain't about you, it's about him Going back to a lot of women, uh, having their raising their sons, his Raising their sons as son-husbands.

Chris: 1:27:19

You know what I'm saying. So that's becoming a thing now. It's like my baby going to stay with me as long as he want to. Well, you ain't going to let him grow up. You ain't going to let him be a man and go get another woman.

CMT: 1:27:30

Oh, because you don't want no competition. We going to get to the real root of it.

Chris: 1:27:38

You know a woman, a new girlfriend or new wife. That's competition, competition. He has to give her a certain level of priority and it might be over you, over, of course it is. A lot of women don't like that.

CMT: 1:27:46

No, they don't like that shit, no, real spit, real spit yo uh.

Chris: 1:27:51

So a recruiter, a recruiter from usc, comes to visit and uh, everybody's ready. Uh, ricky's ready, the girlfriend is ready, uh, except doughboy now, who's on the porch right blocking the door. You know he got company coming over that can change his life and y'all just on the port smoking, smoking and drinking, y'all got guns, all type of shit like cussing and shit cussing got one of doughboy's partners like can you hook me up with a scholarship? I used to play baseball back in the day. Who like what do you do?

CMT: 1:28:24

no, gangster. What do you do now?

Chris: 1:28:26

nothing. So even though I was like man, don't y'all see this man here on business, move out the way, start kicking his partners kick the dude in the wheelchair like don't boy crazy, but at least don't boy understood. Like he here for my brother. Exactly like we not about he here for my brother.

CMT: 1:28:42

Exactly like we not about to fuck up my brother, yeah, ruin his chances we not ruin none of that even though we some fucked up individuals, my brother still got a shot, so and I don't want my mama yelling at me, right about us fucking up, right exactly straighten. The fuck up now straighten up.

Chris: 1:28:57

Now move out the way. Let the man in right, ricky's mom. She's dressed up. You can tell she's ready. She's ready to show her best. Uh, once again, like I said, she looks like she's mature. She's ready to help her son process get through this stuff and she puts a little lemonade out there for him and stuff like that. She has a lot of encouraging words for ricky before the recruiter walks in the house. Like baby, I always knew you can do it and what it makes me think is like why you just never told some shit like that to Dole Boy. That could have changed his life. That could have changed his life, yo.

Chris: 1:29:29

Them same words could have shaped that little kid to a whole different person, man, but you would call him a fat fuck and all type of shit.

CMT: 1:29:39

Yo, that was terrible time I've watched that yo. I was like god damn, that's the worst thing you could say to a fucking 10 year old man. What the hell she's doing that whole rant.

Chris: 1:29:51

She said something also like I'll knock you in the next week. Yeah, you're just saying all the wrong, yeah, all the wrong shit yo it was so good to see that john showed that she had all these encouraging words for the kids she liked but all this hateful shit for the kids she hated, but she never kicked Doughboy out.

CMT: 1:30:08

No, she didn't kick him out.

Chris: 1:30:09

So it's like, what is this about? You talk to him like you hate him.

CMT: 1:30:13

Yeah, she had some little empathy though, but you had a little empathy because you wouldn't kick him out.

Chris: 1:30:17

No, I wouldn't kick him out, which a lot of moms would do. They'd be sons gangbanging, carrying guns and shit. You wouldn't kick him out, but you shit on him every chance you get. Even as an older teenager, you're still shitting on him Still shitting on him. Would you get you and your gangbanging driving?

CMT: 1:30:32

ass friends out of my life.

Chris: 1:30:34

Literally it was like damn, you don't get it. Even his partners was like that's because they got different daddies. He was named dukey with the with the pacifier in his mouth. Right, he's like because they got different daddies. That's why she treated him like that uh, so even they understood what, what was going on, even since they were little kids. It's probably been that way. Trey and ricky take a trip to see furious. Furious is at his office now. Um, furious is. It doesn't look like he really doing nothing in his office right.

CMT: 1:31:07

That's why I was like I look back what. What are you doing here?

Chris: 1:31:12

what do you do? That's why ricky was like what do you do?

Chris: 1:31:15

you just sit and I want to say it says furious financial or something has something to do with money or whatever Furious investments or something like that. But it literally looked like he was just sitting there at his desk not doing shit and waiting for them to walk in. So they come in and he asked them how their SATs went, because they took their SATs, which they all have to score over 700 or something like that. But he said I want to take y'all somewhere. So he took them to Compton, took them to an empty lot, showed them a sign that was talking about gentrification, houses for sale and stuff like that, and he tried to explain to them something that we're going through right now, especially in Oakland, oh yeah oh yeah, that was a real big scene.

CMT: 1:32:02

That was huge, that we should have paid more attention to back then.

Chris: 1:32:05

Nobody paid attention 30 years ago to that scene.

CMT: 1:32:08

You know, I thought it was serious when they, when he brought it up, but I didn't take it super serious until I didn't think that shit was going to happen in Oakland, dude.

Chris: 1:32:18

I did not think Oakland California for those who don't know, oakland California is like half white now. Yeah, half white. Yes, I never saw that coming.

CMT: 1:32:28

Hey, well, I.

Chris: 1:32:29

West Oakland all bought out by younger white people.

CMT: 1:32:32

My neighborhood used to be I stay in the foothills Maxwell Park. It used to be just mixed with blacks and whites. Now it's really a bunch of Hispanics Really and whites. Now it's really a bunch of Hispanics and whites. It's different. It's different yeah.

Chris: 1:32:48

He schooled them on gentrification. They kind of listened but didn't. But you know they kind of like we still worried about being in Compton.

CMT: 1:32:54

I was worried about them.

Chris: 1:32:55

Yeah, we were about to cry, but even the dudes across the street came over and he gave them some games. Young brother, you got to think they want y'all to kill each other so they can take the prices down, buy all the property and move in. While you got to move into IE, you got to move. You know what?

CMT: 1:33:12

I'm saying you got to move to San Bernardino or some shit.

Chris: 1:33:15

You don't even get to say where you're supposed to be at, and we see that happening now. I have so many friends that used to live in oakland. They all live in tracy, stockton, sacramento. They cannot afford to live in oakland anymore. No, no, like it literally can't no, man.

CMT: 1:33:32

Your one bedroom is it's three thousand dollars now.

Chris: 1:33:35

Oh yeah, it's over, it's over so, um, the boys, the boys leave from there. They meet up with Doughboy on. It looks like it was like a car show type of street setting.

CMT: 1:33:47

Yeah like a side show. Yeah, side show.

Chris: 1:33:50

Like old school side show. You know, you got the 6'4s, the low riders. Ferris bumps into Ricky hella hard. You can tell he did that shit on purpose too. Oh yeah, oh yeah, he threw an extra.

CMT: 1:34:02

Uh, it's time to start some shit with this Trying to start some shit.

Chris: 1:34:06

You can tell Ferris is trying to start some shit and it turns into the girl saying can't we just have a peaceful night? And of course, shut up bitch. There's always one dude that's going to say shut up, bitch, it don't matter.

CMT: 1:34:21

Of course it was Doughboy, because he's used to fat fuck. Of course it was Doughboy, doughboy has no respect for anybody, Even the girl that's in the car with him, Regina King's character. He was calling her a bitch, Shut up bitch.

Chris: 1:34:38

This is your woman, this is your girl, or at least your home.

CMT: 1:34:42

I don't know who she was too, because if god was a bitch or something like that, he's like because god ain't a bitch or something like that with her right there, he didn't even care so they get into the altercation, ferris, they go past, q pulls the gun.

Chris: 1:34:58

We got a problem here. We got a problem here. They're like put the gun away, everybody walks away. Ferris shoots the uzi in the air, everybody takes off. Now what I didn't find out till later research in the movie was that that was unscripted. Yeah, the shooting part. I found that out.

CMT: 1:35:13

John didn't tell them that was about to happen, right, so the real reaction that we saw was a real reaction. Yeah, all the people running the cars peeling out right. That's exactly what happened in real life, because john did not tell nobody he said he was gonna make a gun sound with his mouth and then really hit the gun.

Chris: 1:35:33

Pull that shit out and people started really running because, remember, they did shoot this in la right. They was in the streets right that could have actually happened.

CMT: 1:35:40

So they probably was thinking oh, there's some real shit, real shit happening, yeah. So what's?

Chris: 1:35:45

what's funny? Because if you look at the, if you look at the tape, cube almost ran over one of the actors yeah, I saw that.

CMT: 1:35:51

I saw that I was like I almost got hit, I'm talking about inches inches. Yes, deuce kind of slipped and fell?

Chris: 1:35:59

yeah, I don't think john thought that was going to happen. He almost ran that dude over. Now he wouldn't have killed him, but he damn sure would have destroyed that leg.

CMT: 1:36:07

That leg would have been gone. It would have been gone, but that was an interesting part of that scene yeah, interesting part, because it was really real. It was really real.

Chris: 1:36:19

So on their way home, they get pulled over by the police. T it was really real. So on their way home, they get pulled over by the police. Trey and Ricky in that same black same punk ass cop Don't even recognize that it's the same kid that he came to. He pulls him out, puts the gun up to him, you know, says you look like one of your Crenshaw mafia motherfuckers. And he basically spews all the hatred he has for young black men in general he just don't like young black men period.

Chris: 1:36:50

You just pulled him over and just quickly labeled him as a gangbanger just quickly labeled him, and even, once again, the white cops sitting there looking at him like where are you? Going with all this, I want to say that the white cops mentality was probably like, well, what am I to do if he doing this with against his own people, like it kind of, would put the white cop in a bad situation. Like, well, this is his people, right, so who am I to?

CMT: 1:37:20

go against what he's doing.

Chris: 1:37:21

Yeah, I mean clearly he don't like his own people Like I almost can 100% guarantee that there was never a report of him pulling a gun on Trey that day. I can almost imagine when they let them get back in their car and they drove off Right. That secret stayed between him and his partner.

CMT: 1:37:42

Oh yeah, that didn't happen and he pulled that damn gun out. That didn't happen at all.

Chris: 1:37:46

It never happened.

CMT: 1:37:47

Yeah, and the report. We didn't even pull nobody over.

Chris: 1:37:52

It never happened and that is sad because that's such a familiar scenario.

CMT: 1:37:58

Not really Now I ain't going to lie.

Chris: 1:37:59

I've never had a cop pull a gun out and put it to my neck or nothing like that. But getting pulled out of a car and getting sat on the concrete, that's happened a lot when I was a youngster and it's always.

CMT: 1:38:10

It's always mentally hurtful, oh yeah for somebody to do you like that.

Chris: 1:38:14

It's very traumatizing you like, you got your l's everything legit, yeah, but sit your ass on the curb anyway.

CMT: 1:38:21

Oh yeah, I remember it did be like that when I first got the beamer man. I got the beamer and they had, you know, no reason to treat me like they was treating me. Yo, I was polite all my. I had a couple cats with me, they was polite and everything cold part about it. They didn't have him sitting on the curb, he just had me sitting on the curb like what, what I mean, I'm gonna'm keeping the buck. My friends was light-skinned, it was light, bright I got the steph curry love I got treated like dark gable shout out steph curry.

Chris: 1:38:59

Yeah, man, but I mean they cold out there with, with the, with the, you know, trying to prove that you know, yeah, they could be hard I remember in 90 I want to say it was 96 or 97 we got pulled over going to, we were trying to, we were trying to get to, uh, conker pavilion, to go to the smoking grooves. Remember smoking grooves, first time going to some shit like that hella juice. I'm a hip-hop head, I'm loving it. Get pulled over, get out the car. One of the people that was with me had the four-way search clause so they can search the whole car out of here. Oh yeah, it was. It was ugly, I don't even know. I don't even know. One of my partners had that type of clause on him to where everybody gets searched, and they searched the car, all that shit. We showed up.

Chris: 1:39:46

The concert was damn near over, bro. By the time they set us all down. A hell of more police cars came, searched the car, checked everybody's stuff. We're talking about two and a half hours later, bro, and that was one of the most disrespectful days I've ever been treated by cops before, because none of us did anything wrong. We didn't even get pulled over because we did anything wrong. They just saw a car full of niggas and conquered and pulled us over Because he had a four-way search cause, cause of some shit in his past.

Chris: 1:40:20

They had the right to just chop everything up, pull everything out the car. Now this now mine is my car, so my car is getting ran through shit, getting pulled out, the glove compartment thrown on the ground. I was disrespectful, it was disrespectful and and and I never forgot about that because I'm just like that's it's almost like dehumanizing a person because they knew we couldn't do shit about it. And if you buck up, you get smacked in, especially back then, smack the shit out your ass. Yeah, they had no cameras yeah, well, no cameras.

Chris: 1:40:52

Yeah, so you talk shit back to a cop back, then you're getting the shit slapped out of your ass. It happened a lot, I've seen it. So I've never forgot about that experience because, like I said me being a hip hop head, I was so excited to go to that shit and I never got a chance to experience what I thought I was going to experience and even since then I never really talked to nobody about that particular day. But it always makes me feel like when you do stuff to people like that, it changes how they see shit from then on. Because it took me about three or four years after that to even go to another concert in Concord. Wow, because I'm just like they might do the same shit again. Yeah, yeah, of course. So it took me some years to be like even wanting to go to a show out that way.

Chris: 1:41:41

Yeah, to press me out that way, especially out that way yeah it just changed my mentality, like, oh, that's how they see us, so I can't go that way, no more, anything that's at the pavilion I'm not going, yeah, I wouldn't, yeah. So it kind of shut down my, my thought process and it changes. You know, we treat people like it changes people, man, it changes how they think about stuff. So after Trey and him get put over by the police and he get the gun put to him and he's crying, a lot of emotions going through him, he goes over to Brandy's house his girlfriend played by Nia Long and he has literally a mental breakdown. Going back to what we were saying if young black men had people to talk to, those situations wouldn't happen.

CMT: 1:42:20

No, no, he clearly needed some therapy.

Chris: 1:42:23

he had a breakdown in front of that girl. Yeah, to where it fucking scared the shit out of her man. He's punching the air, screaming, crying, and everybody from the hood has had at least one instance where you felt like oh yeah, whether you did it or not, you did it right.

CMT: 1:42:39

But I but you felt like all that emotion. Yeah, I was like I feel you, bro, man, you feel like you just want to punch through a wall yeah, because this man, this life out here ain't life, ain't fucking fair world against you.

Chris: 1:42:52

You feel like everybody's against you and you, young, trying to figure it out. You have no guidance on how to get through those situations, so it just it. It comes out in frustration, yeah, as it did in this movie with Trey. Most definitely so. Furious meets up with Reva at a cafe and she's basically like Mad, because she found that Trey wants to move in with Brandy in college. They want to come together. They're boyfriend and girlfriend. They've been since they was kids. You know what?

CMT: 1:43:21

I'm saying, and Fierce is just like he grown.

Chris: 1:43:24

He got 18. He going to do what he going to do. She on his head, you ain't guiding him right. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and he just like but I got into this situation. How? You talking to me like I'm not the one who got him to this situation? Going to college, exactly, our son is good, our son is good.

Chris: 1:43:41

You're talking to me like I did something right just because he wants to live with his girlfriend who clearly they're not leaving each other right, they've been together since like 10 and not leaving, you know that's some.

CMT: 1:43:53

That's some serious shit when it should last that long.

Chris: 1:43:56

So you know, furious point of view was like we might as well like promote them being together as a family, yeah, and doing it the right way. That's, that's how it should be done. That's how his mentality was. But his mama was like, nah, he don't need to be living with no girl.

CMT: 1:44:11

She was not having that.

Chris: 1:44:12

She was like nope then she gave him a speech about whatever you did, whatever you think you, you ain't did nothing special, right Women been doing this for years.

CMT: 1:44:20

It's like Just cut him down short man, you can't get him. I'm not giving him no props for being a good dad, she didn't give him no props.

Chris: 1:44:27

Man, that was funny. Women been doing this for years, so you ain't doing nothing special. Right, get into a fight because Doughboy Ricky's girlfriend asks him to go get some cornmeal so she can fry him some fish. He goes outside to ask Doughboy.

CMT: 1:44:43

Doughboy like I'm not she asks you, she didn't ask me.

Chris: 1:44:48

You fucking her Right. So Ricky kind of brought him on Whatever man. Whatever man, so they actually have a fight. Well, whatever man. So they actually have a fight. Well, it wasn't much of a fight. Doughboy knocked the shit out of him, got on top of him, started mangling him up. He wasn't even really roughing him up like he could have. He was kind of like this is my little brother.

CMT: 1:45:06

I'm just going to kind of let you know that, no, I'm still the big brother over here, still the big dog out of the pen.

Chris: 1:45:21

You know, you're just just my football playing, little brother, right? So, uh, the mother comes out and instantly slaps doughboy and, to everybody's surprise, like what the fuck she do that for? You don't even want to find out why?

CMT: 1:45:28

why fighting right exactly? You just slap doughboy out the gate yep, you just you stuck in your ways. That doughboy is the bad apple.

Chris: 1:45:37

It had to be Doughboy, it had to be him, it had to be Doughboy. Even Doughboy sitting there like what you hit me for, His partner, like Doughboy what she hit you for, he like shut up man.

CMT: 1:45:47

Hey, let's get on Chris for a minute. When I think about Chris because in the beginning he says you know, I got a loaded gun my brother gave me a loaded gun I'm like did you shoot yourself with that gun? Is that why you paralyzed? They never, they didn't cover it. But I always wonder, I'm like, what you do with that loaded gun?

Chris: 1:46:06

They never talked about how he ended up in a wheelchair other than he got shot, right, because Furious said you want to end up like Lil' Chris, chris, yeah, in a wheelchair. So we know he got shot. We don't know whether he did it to himself, right, right?

CMT: 1:46:18

or was he gangbanger?

Chris: 1:46:20

right, little chris was swole as fuck that little top body was super man, chiseled and swole being in that wheelchair.

CMT: 1:46:29

Uh, and then just and just to touch on this, he was kind of like, uh, minister, society's character, the black, positive, righteous dude he was kind of like him a little bit because he was.

CMT: 1:46:42

He was like watching how? Because he couldn't be part of that no more because he in the wheelchair, so he was like watching everybody be you know gangsters and really like checking them, like like when they was at the side show. It's like nigga, you be doing that shit too. Like you know, y'all need to stop acting like fools so we can live right. He's basically trying to put his little two cents in like we need to get righteous a little bit.

Chris: 1:47:08

That's a good point of view. He was trying to be the positive person amongst all the bullshit, because you know Q was on some bullshit.

CMT: 1:47:16

Oh yeah, bullshit, because, uh, you know q was on some bullshit. Oh yeah, you was like about all the action right, exactly all the smoke right. So chris was basically like man, y'all don't want to end up like me, man, so just y'all need to calm it down a little bit with the bullshit, a little bit.

Chris: 1:47:27

You know I'm saying you know, just calm it down. But you're right, he was kind of like the muslim dude in minutes, yeah. So after the fight, uh, ricky and trey, they walked to the store and they run into Ferris and his goons and they did something that didn't make sense to me. They said let's split up. The fuck y'all gonna split up for If y'all gotta fight, if they even on some fighting shit at least it'll be two of y'all against three.

CMT: 1:47:53

What's the?

Chris: 1:47:53

point of splitting up? I never understood that about this movie. What's the point of splitting up? I never understood that about this movie.

CMT: 1:47:57

That was weird we brothers, we going together, we not about to split up. There ain't gonna be no drama happening us apart. That's just what that's gonna invite more drama, now they can really whoop your ass, you by yourself, they really gonna stomp your ass out there.

Chris: 1:48:17

I'm like that didn't make. That didn't make no sense. I don't know to this day, I don't know why, uh, john put that in the movie. Yeah, because I in, in reality, me and my homies would never split up in a situation like no, never, I've never have split came in this motherfucker together, we leaving together yeah, we're about to duke them out together.

Chris: 1:48:36

Yeah, yeah so when they split up even the first time I watched it, I knew somebody about to get shot, because it didn't make no sense for them to split up. I'm like somebody must be ready to get shot. The split up made no sense to me. So, ricky, the problem with Ricky is he busy scratching off lottery tickets and not paying attention to how dangerous the situation was.

CMT: 1:49:00

Man, it's almost like the sideshow situation, because his brother was able to barely matter that. You didn't take it serious. He didn't take it serious. He didn't take Ferris serious.

Chris: 1:49:10

Yeah, he didn't take it serious, he didn't take Ferris serious, and that lets me know that he must didn't know enough of the history of ferris to even take him serious. But, cube, did you know dough boy was like when he seen that red?

CMT: 1:49:22

car mobile.

Chris: 1:49:22

He was like oh shit, rick, because he know ferris is about that bullshit. So so dough boy knew and his homeboys knew, but but ricky was kind of like not taking this, not taking this.

CMT: 1:49:35

Even trey took it seriously bro, man, we shouldn't split up. Man, we don't need to split up, man, we need to throw some heads, man.

Chris: 1:49:41

We need to be together. Yeah, ricky just didn't take it serious, man and I. I wish we could have gotten a little bit more realistic with that scene. As far as ricky being more serious about it, I don't feel like in that situation, even if they split up, which wouldn't have made no sense he would be scratching off a lottery ticket, not paying attention to these niggas that's trying to kill him. He hold milk on cornmeal, that's what I'm saying.

CMT: 1:50:05

Y'all just ran from him and hopped over some fences to get away, and then this is what you want to do you want to go scratch a lottery ticket and not even pay attention.

Chris: 1:50:15

So as they're walking, not even pay attention. So, as they're walking, one of the dopest scenes in the movie and most tragic scenes trey sees from a distance the guys pull up, ricky still scratching off a damn lottery ticket and he yells his name and that yell. People still talk about that yell to this day, how powerful it was, because you knew that was going to end ricky. That yell meant Ricky's about to die Like straight up.

Chris: 1:50:40

So when he says Ricky and he yells Ricky, Ricky turns around and starts running, but it's just too late, he was too close to the curb. They pull right there.

CMT: 1:50:50

It was kind of easy, you know shooting fish in a barrel type situation Most definitely Like he.

Chris: 1:50:55

Right there. Right there, bam Got him. Now he gets shot and he didn't go all the way down, which might have made it worse for him, because he kept trying to run. And that second shot is what went through his body, which essentially killed him, which is what killed him right. Um, at this time, dope boy and his homeboys pulling up. Uh, trey is holding him, holding his head up. They pull up. You can see the pain in the homeboy's face because he ain't going to make it. He's leaking way too much. And then Chris rolls up and even Chris is like damn, even Chris pulled up. This is not good. You know what I'm saying. But the one thing I want to talk about why do you think they took his damn body home?

CMT: 1:51:39

I'm thing I want to talk about. Why do you think they took his damn body home? I'm confused to the damn doctor. I don't, I don't understand. I almost. And when I seen that scene I was like is this what they do down there? Is it a? Is it some type?

Chris: 1:51:48

of thing. You don't call the police, right? I get that right. But he just got shot with a shotgun twice and you, you literally threw him on the couch yeah, with his mother there and his baby mama and son there that made no sense to me I still look at that and be like maybe that was part of the gang life. That's just what they did I don't know parts of that. Yeah, exactly, take me to the hospital, right? That's what I'm saying.

CMT: 1:52:14

So uh, when I every time I see that or and then like the first time I saw it I was I took it as okay. But maybe that's, uh, some gang stuff that I don't know nothing about, because I couldn't see myself picking my sibling up and taking them home.

Chris: 1:52:31

Man like that. And then you know mama, mama, yeah, she comes out. She's screaming hysterically which any woman would. The girlfriend is screaming.

CMT: 1:52:40

The little baby is screaming. The baby definitely shouldn't be there looking at that. The baby definitely should not be around. No shit like that he's leaking all over the place. All over the place.

Chris: 1:52:51

Trey is now super emotional about it. So he leaves, tells Doughboy meet me in my house in five minutes, goes home. He knows where his dad 357 is. He goes, loads up the gun, his dad walks in. He knows what he's back there doing, even though he said, trey, what you back there doing, he in my room.

CMT: 1:53:13

Already know what he in my room doing he loading up the gun.

Chris: 1:53:16

Yeah, especially with all this tragedy Like Trey, what you back there doing In my room?

CMT: 1:53:21

I already know what you doing in my room.

Chris: 1:53:23

You pulling my damn gun out. So Trey comes out. He got the gun in his hand. His dad knows that his son is a square. You ain't about that life. So one thing I loved about this particular scene is like Fur. So one thing I loved about this particular scene is like furious is like nigga. If you're gonna shoot me, but I'm not letting you leave this house with this gun, now that's a real father. That's a real father. You're gonna dead me.

CMT: 1:53:46

If you're gonna shoot something, then you're gonna shoot me because you're not about to go out there and shoot nothing not at all if and if you brave enough to shoot me, then you brave enough to shoot them, yeah that's some real father shit.

Chris: 1:53:57

That's some shit that my father would have done to me. We're going to fight and somebody's going to get shot over this fight, but I'm not going to allow you to just walk out and go murder somebody. There's incidents that can escalate into a gunplay, which the court understands. Then there's hunting somebody down to murder them, which is a life sentence. That's a whole different sentence right there. Yeah, one is temporary insanity. She just got out of hand. One is I came home, I got a gun and I went looking, I thought about it and I still did it like trey.

Chris: 1:54:33

I mean, uh, fierce is like oh no, we not, we don't do that in this house. He said give me the motherfucking gun, trey. And Trey being a square, gave him the gun, crying his arms but still being emotional. Oh yeah, he jumps out the window.

CMT: 1:54:50

Of course man, as Brandy comes in to check on him After that hug, he's like man, fuck that. My, my friend's still gone.

Chris: 1:55:01

So, hug, you're like man, fuck that. My my friend's still gone, so I gotta do something.

CMT: 1:55:03

He's still dealing with the pain he got blood on him, and that's the thing that people gotta understand once you get that blood on you.

Chris: 1:55:06

It's different, it's different, it's different, it's totally different it's totally different I've seen three people like die in front of me, get shot, die in front of me, and when you see it is it's not like the movies, it's not dramatic like the movies it's. But what you do see is mentally it's like damn, that person, that's his spirit, is gone. Yeah, like you literally. I'm not gonna say you literally see the soul come about, but you see them breathing eyes open and so we're just like and they're gone and it's, it changes you.

Chris: 1:55:45

Because it's like, fuck, yeah, you, you just it's hard to process, yeah, and I've seen that at a young age. Thankfully, I haven't seen it as an older man, but as a teenager I've seen it three different times and it's traumatic every single time. Oh yeah, and once again, it's a situation where I cannot talk to my parents about it because they never experienced it. All of their friends are still alive.

CMT: 1:56:07

Right.

Chris: 1:56:08

You see what I'm saying. They never had to deal with friends being murdered like their son had to deal with. So we definitely need to get our young black men help, especially nowadays. Oh yeah, definitely definitely, definitely yep so dope boy and his friends basically go looking for the guys. Trey is in the car. Trey is feeling the spirit of his dad.

CMT: 1:56:29

His dad is sitting there rolling the uh, the things in his hand exercise balls, the exercise balls, whatever you want to call him in his hand, the exercise balls, whatever you want to call them in his hand, praying to God that nothing is going bad with his son and I guess Trey felt it.

Chris: 1:56:43

felt that vibe of.

CMT: 1:56:44

I need to get my ass back home, yeah.

Chris: 1:56:46

Like this ain't for me, trey, like don't let me out. And what I love about that scene is like don't let him out. They didn't fight with him, no peer pressure.

CMT: 1:56:56

No peer pressure.

Chris: 1:56:57

I love that part because you would expect Doe to be like nigga. You ain't getting you in it. Yeah, that's gang mentality. You know that's the gang mentality. I mean what you talking about.

CMT: 1:57:05

I mean, you saw it in Menace's site. Nah, we going to hot these. We don't want to hear these foods.

Chris: 1:57:13

He said it could be grandmama's outside Right exactly.

CMT: 1:57:16

So that's what was the difference about that? They was like he looked at him like alright, so Doe lets him out.

Chris: 1:57:26

They find the guys. Essentially they kill him. I think they found him at a fat burger or something. He was eating burgers or some shit and they gun him down. And it's weird because Ferris' character character, once he kills the first two guys, ferris's character thought he was gonna get some leniency because he didn't pull the trigger. I don't care, I didn't pull a damn trigger, like what the fuck you doing I didn't pull the trigger.

Chris: 1:57:51

You think that's gonna save you. That was funny. It ain't funny, but it's funny as hell. It is like really dude, you really think you're gonna get some sympathy.

CMT: 1:57:55

You're the dude. Who that's going to save you? That was funny. It ain't funny, but it's funny as hell it is funny though, because like really dude, you really think you're going to get some sympathy?

Chris: 1:58:00

now You're the dude who instigated this whole thing on the street at the street thing you instigated.

CMT: 1:58:06

You drove around the corner to make sure your homie.

Chris: 1:58:09

You're the driver.

CMT: 1:58:10

Make sure your homie got him. Yo, You're the driver.

Chris: 1:58:14

You're the instigator of the whole thing.

CMT: 1:58:17

At the sideshow. He had the nine in his hand right he had the the Uzi.

Chris: 1:58:22

Yeah, he had the Uzi.

CMT: 1:58:23

He had the Uzi in your hand talking about, you didn't pull the trigger. You aggravated this whole situation.

Chris: 1:58:28

Now he got you down. Now you like, but I didn't pull the fucking trigger. Then you get some balls and say, well, fuck you yeah. Fuck you yeah because he knew he was done.

CMT: 1:58:35

Yeah, he was like.

Chris: 1:58:35

You can see it in Doughboy's face.

CMT: 1:58:37

Nigga you finna die. Yeah, exactly All this talking is formality. Shut up, shut up. Take what you're supposed to get.

Chris: 1:58:43

Yeah, you know how this go, you know so Doughboy basically execute all three and they get back in the car and go. And then we get to to where Trey comes outside I think he's eating pomegranates or something like that and then Doughboy walks over to talk to him and during the conversation he says that you get him, and it's so dope Doughboy never said yes, he just gave him a look.

CMT: 1:59:12

That's that street shit. We ain't finna talk about this shit.

Chris: 1:59:16

But this one look is gonna let you know everything you need to know that was real shit.

CMT: 1:59:19

We ain't finna talk about this shit, but this one look is going to let you know everything you need to know. Yep, you get one look. That was some real shit right there.

Chris: 1:59:22

That was some real shit.

CMT: 1:59:23

Because you kind of wonder how things go in the street like that and then for them to show like a shooter saying I ain't going to tell you I shot him.

Chris: 1:59:33

I'm not never going to say that, but you what happened? Yeah, so it was kind of dope. He gave that look and then, and then trey was like yeah like yeah, I know you so you so calm your demeanor I know you got it by the way you walk over here, I already know how you get down. Dope boy finally lets out that. You know I ain't got no brother. I ain't got no mother, neither. He said. She like that fool more than she loved me.

CMT: 2:00:01

I'm her oldest, yeah I'm gonna get the most love. Yeah, yeah, he probably just got a little because of ricky, so once he was very little yeah so once he was gone, you know that was gone oh yeah, yeah.

Chris: 2:00:14

So trey says you still got one brother left. They give a hug, he walks and as he's walking, sadly it says two weeks later he was murdered. And unfortunately that is real life, that's this real life right there.

CMT: 2:00:27

You know we hear the gunshots in the hood and you know the reason why we hear we keep hearing them is because this is retali. Retaliation is at an all-time high yo.

Chris: 2:00:41

Retaliation is a must. It's gonna happen. Yeah, that's why you see a lot of people smartly moving out of the town. That got beef. They might come back and do some dirt but they're not living in the town no more because they understand it's so small.

CMT: 2:00:54

The chance you run it into your ops is high, high.

Chris: 2:00:59

It's a high chance, it's a 150% chance and he's going to knock your head off, yep.

CMT: 2:01:03

Oh yeah, because you got your plan. Yeah, you ain't getting a second chance.

Chris: 2:01:07

No, and that's that, yeah. So let's get to the rating. What do you rate this? 1 to 10,.

CMT: 2:01:14

7 being good, 8 being great, 9 one to ten, seven being good, eight being great, nine being excellent, but ten being perfect. Uh, I can't give it perfect. I will give it nine excellent, just because, uh, the things we talked about in the beginning, you know, a father teaching his son how to navigate through the hood, man, that's just. That was so impressive, and, and it is impressive If anyone is doing that, raising their son to make sure that they don't get caught up, it's, you know.

Chris: 2:01:44

Very impressive. No, no, I'm at nine. I'm at nine Because there's little flaws in it. Yeah, but I don't hold that against John. That was his first movie, yeah, and this is 1991.

CMT: 2:01:56

Yeah, and that's why I can't give it a 10, but the 9,. You definitely get that for your first movie, man. Yeah, that's a great score for your first movie, great.

Chris: 2:02:05

Yeah, because the flaws in the movie were stuff that he was going to have regardless. Because he's a first-time filmmaker, he don't have all the resources to get the good kid actors that look like the. All that stuff comes with you just being a first-time director. Oh yeah, most definitely, so I don't hold that against him. I still think the script was great. The script was dope. It's an excellent script. For the first time, your first boom, grand, slam out the gate.

CMT: 2:02:31

Yeah, Great, great, great script.

Chris: 2:02:34

Can't say nothing bad about that nothing bad about it. It shaped.

CMT: 2:02:38

It shaped how black stories were told from the hood after that hey, and I could say I probably took pieces of this movie, incorporate my parenting style from it. So, yeah, that's definitely why it gets a nine man, because those, all those parts that made you say, uh, all right, this is how you teach your son how to be a man, you know so?

Chris: 2:03:03

definitely so, this being the main ingredient name of the show. In your opinion, what was the main ingredient of this movie that made you give it a nine? What was the one?

CMT: 2:03:12

main ingredient. The main ingredient was like I'm gonna have to repeat myself the main ingredient was basically the father and son uh uh conversation, because you gotta have that early to shape your kids. I mean, we were just talking about how junior high they was already with the shit.

Chris: 2:03:31

So that's really the perfect age for you to really get your son in check right then and now, before it gets it goes sour yeah, junior high was wild yeah my father was on me tough until junior high and that's when he let loose and I feel like that's when he should have been on me tighter about when I was going, you know who I was hanging with, like that but he was kind of like he older, he on automatic chris would be good, but he had no idea what I was seeing right, what I was going through.

Chris: 2:04:02

You know, I'm saying, and not until I became an adult we had this conversation where he teared up, was like I wish you would have told me he was going through all this shit. But I'm like how?

CMT: 2:04:09

can I?

Chris: 2:04:10

right. How could at that time, 1984, you from the south, I'm from the city you've never dealt with friends dying the way I'm dealing like you had no idea what I was going through. You couldn't help me through that. Sadly, a lot of stuff is going on. This movie still going on today, sadly sadly, very sadly, a lot of stuff that we see this movie still exists. The ratchet ass mamas, the gang banging people dying every night over senseless violence and stuff like that.

CMT: 2:04:36

Still, that shit still is going on. Yeah, I mean that. Well, I just posted that comment about. You know women should work on themselves if they want to, you know, instead of trying to keep a, have a baby to keep their man. I mean, that's still happening today. So that's why you know it happened. It happens in the past and it's still happening now. So I'm only, when I say stuff like that, I'm trying to get my kid to see what I'm saying. You get what I'm saying, or anybody else that's young, that don't have kids yet. You know, I'm always trying to say stuff that you know to get you thinking. All right, you might be in a situation like this and you know the best way to navigate is to do this or that you know, so you know, I'm always that's just me man.

CMT: 2:05:23

I'm always trying to give what I went through, try to correct what I you know, stuff that I went through, you know, with these youngsters.

Chris: 2:05:31

I'm with it. Yeah, my main ingredient for it is just the screenplay. I just love the way it was written ingredient for it. It's just the screenplay. I just love the way it was written. Like I, I love movies that are written very well and they don't waste words, yes, paper, yes every word was needed.

CMT: 2:05:46

Oh yeah, in this film.

Chris: 2:05:47

Yes, most definitely to tell the story. Yes, there's no wasted words. No, uh, I just did a podcast with about uh, with, uh, my cousin gerald williams, about soldier story. That was another film that I felt like every single word mattered, mattered, but this one definitely mattered. Oh yeah, everything that every character said had to be said. Yep, for it to feel the way it felt to us at that time and even how it feels now when I watch. It still feels as strong, as important now than it was 30 years ago.

CMT: 2:06:19

Still feels the same.

Chris: 2:06:21

It was a very like. I can't say enough about how good this movie was to be his first film, Right.

CMT: 2:06:28

Just consider he was 24,. I think, or something like that.

Chris: 2:06:33

And this is your first film out of film school. Yeah, big props, big props to John Singleton.

CMT: 2:06:38

Big props to John Singleton. Oh yeah, big props to John Singleton. He did that. Big props, oh yeah.

Chris: 2:06:41

He will always have my respect and admiration for it. Doing it the way he did, he did it his way. Right, he did his movie his way. Yes, he did so. Yeah, but once again, CMT, I'm thankful for you coming through and doing Boys in the Hood with me.

CMT: 2:06:58

Oh yeah, For sure, man. Thanks for having me.

Chris: 2:06:59

I got to bring you back to do another one, we'll pick another one.

CMT: 2:07:02

Oh yeah, most definitely, man.

CMT: 2:07:04

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CMT: 2:07:23

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CMT: 2:08:12

So we we're not trying to do that. So we're not trying to do that. So you know, if you, if you really down with artists like you say you are, man, go click the link in my IG or just go to CMT Miraculous Bandcamp dot com and, man, get that EP. Man, it's only seven dollars, I mean I know you can afford that you know.

Chris: 2:08:32

So, once again, thank you, my brother, for coming. Yeah, you're the platinum producer. Cmt, you're platinum. You feel what I'm saying? Anyway, it's the main ingredient. I'm Chris Ellis, your host. I'll see y'all next time, peace.