"Cooley High" Movie Review | The Main Ingredient With Chris Ellis Podcast - Ep.5

What happens when iconic scenes, unforgettable music, and authentic friendships collide in the nostalgic lens of a classic film? Join us as Bruce Bowers, a senior animator at Bayworld Unlimited LLC, and I, Chris Ellis, embark on a journey through the 1975 film "Cooley High." We'll dissect the lesser-known yet pivotal roles of the writers and directors, giving credit where it's often overlooked. With unmatched performances from Glenn Turman, Lawrence Hilton Jacobs, and Cynthia Davis, this film's financial triumph and cultural impact come to the forefront, especially considering the rarity of an all-Black cast in that era.

Remember the laughs and heartfelt moments from "What's Happening!!" and the family dynamics that tugged at your heartstrings? We discuss the comedic brilliance and strong family representations in both "What's Happening!!" and "Cooley High," highlighting character interactions and evolving parent-child relationships. Relive the magic of the Motown soundtrack that seamlessly wove through the narrative, enhancing the chemistry between Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs and Glenn Turman. Their real-life friendship added layers of authenticity, setting a memorable tone for the film.

Explore the vibrant scenes at Martha's soul food spot, the gritty reality of Cabrini-Green, and the tragic yet powerful moments that define "Cooley High." Bruce and I look at the film's character dynamics, the significance of its Motown soundtrack, and the transformative journeys of its cast. We dive deep into the personal and societal impacts, from the intense police interrogations to the poignant final scenes. This episode is a heartfelt homage to "Cooley High," its historical context, and its enduring cultural legacy, making it essential listening for fans of classic Black cinema.

Chapters

• 0:00 Discussion on Cooley High Film
• 6:02 Exploring Black Family Dynamics in Film
• 12:12 Dynamic of Friendship in Cooley High
• 15:43 Soul Food Hangout and Bet
• 26:19 Family Dynamics in Cabrini Green
• 33:50 Behind the Camera
• 42:02 Street Thug Casting and Party Drama
• 52:29 The Importance of Experiences
• 56:34 Adventures in Cooley High
• 1:05:26 The Theater Chaos in Cooley High
• 1:13:15 Betrayal and Jealousy in Cooley High
• 1:26:38 Unsolved Mystery in Cooley High
• 1:33:52 Dynamics of Family and School Relationships
• 1:38:42 Teaching and Influence in Film
• 1:51:38 Unanswered Questions in Cooley High
• 2:01:22 Martha's Soul Food Spot Chaos
• 2:12:57 The Betrayal of Cochise
• 2:25:21 Cooley High Character Outcomes
• 2:35:58 Motown's Impact and Reflection on Society
• 2:45:37 Deep Dive Into Cooley High

Transcript

Chris: 0:00

let's say take you and I, for instance. Right, you do a movie and I act in it ironic huh. Let's say I got the lead role, I'm getting all these awards and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Who's going to get the credit, the spotlight, the accolades and everything? Yeah, the actor, me, yeah, but it was me acting out what you wrote down, what you put together, what you directed, what you edited, what you know what I'm saying, and you probably no name. No name, riley won't even get mentioned.

Bruce : 0:26

At all.

Chris: 0:27

Unless I get up there on an acceptance speech and mention it. You have to say it yourself, but you are the real star, because if you didn't do that, I wouldn't be able to act, I wouldn't have a job. When it comes to the whole fame or recognition part, they don't really get recognized what's up y'all?

Chris: 1:01

my name is chris ell Ellis, and this is the main ingredient with Chris Ellis. Today we're here to talk about a historical film. It meant so much to me and my special guests that we just had to talk about it. Today we're talking about Cooley High, and my guest today, my special guest, my brother, is no other than Bruce Bowers, who's a senior animator at the animation company called Bayworld Unlimited LLC, and we're here to talk to him about this special movie, cooley High, and I want to introduce him to y'all today. What's up, my brother?

Chris: 1:34

What's up, Chris, my brother? I like that intro. I feel good.

Chris: 1:40

I try to do the best I could for all my guests, you know, and give them the respect that they deserve how you been man.

Chris: 1:46

I've been good man, I have no complaints. I love the new studio, my goodness.

Bruce : 1:51

Right on, man. I appreciate it.

Chris: 1:53

I feel really special right now. I'm just telling you Might start like sucking my thumb Just playing Anyway nah, nah, nah.

Chris: 2:01

We've been talking about the studio for a while, so you understand my vision when I-. Oh man, most definitely Now that you're here Most definitely.

Chris: 2:08

It's something that is both familiar and unique at the same time. Yeah, so you know, much success. Thanks for having me here, bro.

Chris: 2:15

For sure man For sure I'm serious.

Chris: 2:16

This is special to me.

Chris: 2:17

For sure, for sure, television anyway. So I'm like you gotta bring my brother on here to get this done and get it the right way and get the correct movie to really, you know, uh, show our chops on how we break stuff down you know what I'm saying?

Chris: 2:31

all I'm gonna say is get ready, because I love that movie get ready I'm about to blow y'all minds.

Chris: 2:37

Let's do it, let's do it so today we're talking about cooley high, a movie that came out in 1975. It was directed by by Michael Schultz, written by Eric Monti, starring Glenn Turman as Preach Lawrence Jacob as Cochise Garrett Morgus as Mr Mason, cynthia Davis as Brenda the beautiful the fine.

Chris: 2:56

Brenda man. I wish we had seen more of her.

Chris: 3:00

Oh my.

Chris: 3:00

God, I was scouring the internet for more films with Brenda and Cynthia Davis Right we got Maurice Marshall as.

Chris: 3:06

Damon. I was scouring the internet for more films with Brenda Cynthia Davis. Right, we got Maurice Marshall as Damon. I hated Damon's character. Didn't like him either. He did it so well. I hated his character.

Chris: 3:15

Didn't like him either.

Chris: 3:17

Sherman Smith as Stone, norman Gibson as Robert, stephen Williams as Jimmy Lee. That's the cast. The budget was $750,000, but it grossed $13 million. It was is Jimmy Lee. That's the cast. The budget was $750,000, but it grossed $13 million, which was a successful movie.

Chris: 3:29

That's awesome for 1975.

Chris: 3:31

1975? You grossed $13 million on a Blackfield, on a Blackfield bro, 50 years ago, that is. That's almost like grossing $200 million now.

Chris: 3:43

It is. It is If you do the inflation adjustment. Yeah, that's a like grossing $200 million now it is.

Chris: 3:45

It is If you do the inflation adjustment. That's a lot of money to make off of black I'm talking about all black cast, all black cast, all black cast. All black new cast, because nobody was really stars back then right, lawrence Hilton Jacobs was actually.

Chris: 3:57

He just came off of the movie Claudine with Diane Carroll.

Chris: 4:01

You're correct.

Bruce : 4:02

And James.

Chris: 4:02

Earl Jones. And then I don't know what Glenn Turman was doing, but he was doing some acting.

Chris: 4:09

Yeah, he was Probably nothing like super big Behind the scenes background yeah, nothing big, nothing super big yeah.

Chris: 4:14

And then another, garrett Morris. You know who he is. Yes, I think he did a little bit of acting before this film as well. And then Stephen Williams. This was his first film um, so I feel I think it is, and then he went on to do uh, I can't remember the name of his role on 21 jump street, but he was like yeah, yeah, um, and he did some other films and stuff like that too. He was good on 21 jump street, yeah, he was he was really good he was, I loved him in those who don't remember the real 21 Jump Street.

Chris: 4:43

Yeah, not the Channing Tatum. No, not the Channing Tatum.

Chris: 4:47

Nah we enjoyed Channing Tatum.

Chris: 4:49

Nah.

Chris: 4:49

But we ain't talking about that. No, we're talking about the original. We're talking about.

Chris: 4:53

Johnny Depp.

Chris: 4:54

Yes. What's the Asian dude Richard. Grieco, I think his name is, his name was richard, richard graco.

Chris: 5:01

Yeah, um, I can't remember who the female oh, holly robinson pete.

Chris: 5:04

Holly robinson pete.

Chris: 5:05

Yeah, prior put some respect on her name oh, yeah, she's been doing it for a minute. For a minute. She's been doing it for a minute since she was younger. Young girl doing it for a minute. Yeah, shout out and doing it correctly too. Yeah, no scandal, no bush, no smut on her name no, and and even got bagger athlete rodney pder, athlete Rodney Peete, rodney Peete, and they still together today. They rocking.

Chris: 5:27

Yeah, real black family, real black family, real black. Take notes Three, four kids been together 30 years. Yeah, no scandal. Also, and we can talk about this now, this movie sparked what's happening. Yes, so I've seen a lot of references that that that kind of combine the two. But what is your take on what you saw from cooley high that that went into what's happening? What did you see?

Chris: 5:54

well, it felt like that a lot of the main characters were still like featured or expanded upon um in a different setting. What's happening is definitely a lot more comedic and there was like the counterparts that you saw in the relationship between Preach and his sister Dee. You see that same dynamic with Roger, ernest Thomas's character, roger, and with his little sister Dee. And then you also saw the mother figure in Mabel King and in what's happening in them. You know Preach's mom and how they had the same dynamic as far as them being hardworking mothers, that's, just trying to keep food on the table and keep the family straight.

Chris: 6:37

Just survive.

Chris: 6:38

And still and like hardcore with the discipline, like nothing went got past her and she handled it personally.

Chris: 6:44

The discipline like nothing went got past her and she handled it. Yeah, personally, yeah, it was a good thing to see a strong black woman back then handle raising a young man the way, the way that black women handle young men back then, which was heavy discipline, heavy respect. You know, back then you didn't find too many young black men who disrespected their mothers like you see now.

Chris: 7:05

You see it now especially like in um, a lot of this, a lot of the sitcoms and stuff like that, not even just black moms, but just in television and in general general the kids and their level of respect for their parents. The parents are always now, are now more put in this, this light of being not knowing, not cool, you know, uh, inept to understand what young people are going through right and and then the kids are kind of like getting over on the parents and they rule.

Chris: 7:34

Yeah, so that rebellious streak or whatever has like really permeated, like even sitcoms you know, today you watch those. It's not the same. It's not the same. The kids back then I think they had uh, I don't know if it's healthy or not, but they had a fear of their parent or disappointing their parent, or rebelling against their parent because their parent just didn't play.

Chris: 7:55

Yeah, now it's just, it's totally different but it was good to see, like even that scene. She said go get the belt. Yeah, I remember those days as a kid where you messed up, they made you go get the belt. Yeah, I remember those days as a kid where you messed up, they made you go get the switch, the belt, the strap.

Chris: 8:08

Where is it at? And they didn't have to know, but you better know, you better know.

Chris: 8:12

Where it's at or you're going to get worse Right.

Chris: 8:15

The more you prolong it, the worse it's going to get man All right.

Chris: 8:21

So let's get into it. The All right, so let's get into it. The opening scene of Cochise's waking up preach to go to school. What I like about that opening scene is it shows you their bond, because that's your real homie that's going to come wake you up. I can only, on one hand, I can, name the people that I actually went to their house to wake them up in the morning. Those are my pot. We still good to this day, yeah. Them up in the morning. Those are my pot. We still good to this day, yeah. So it showed their bond between coach cheese and preach that you know, bro, I care about you enough that, even though you sleeping through school and we teenage, I'm supposed to let you sleep and forget about school. Now, if I'm going to school, we going to school, yeah, I mean.

Chris: 8:58

So get your ass up and let's go to school. Throughout the whole movie they kind of gave that off. And, for those that don't know, lawrence Hilton, jacob and Glenn Turman were already friends. Oh, so that's what made this scene, the opening scene, feel natural. Yeah, and throughout the whole movie, just their interaction with each other was really natural because they already had that friendship bond and you could see it, it was just like damn, it really feels like they're really good friends.

Chris: 9:24

But according to what you're saying, it was just like damn, they really it really feels like they're really good friends. But yeah, according to what you're saying is like they were, really they were really friends, yeah, it felt very nice. Like every time you've seen them on screen talking, it felt like just a regular talk that they would normally have, not even like it was a script.

Chris: 9:36

Yeah, it felt unscripted, it just they just talk it's from michael schultz and I heard him talk about the movie. It sounds like that Michael Schultz was really forgiving. He was really loose with the script, especially even dealing with Lawrence Hilton Jacobs and Glenn Turman's character. He let them come.

Bruce : 9:52

So he let them be in the character and free flow. Quite a bit.

Chris: 9:57

They didn't really. I mean, you know they had a script, but they didn't. It wasn't 100% scripted.

Chris: 10:05

It really didn't feel like they was going off a script at all. With those two, right, it's like they were just talking, yeah, like if it just it flowed very smooth. Uh, with the other actors you can kind of tell you're waiting for their beats to jump in on the conversation, but with those two they didn't miss a beat. No, they nailed it, they didn't miss a beat. So, uh, we get to the point in the movie where the boys they they still in the beginning of the movie the boys cut class. They hook up with a pooter and another cat and then they go to the Chicago Zoo.

Chris: 10:33

Yeah, willie, willie, yeah Willie. And then just how they did it. And what's interesting is that they still kept the music playing, even through the most. Let's talk about the soundtrack. I don't want to get.

Chris: 10:45

Let's get into the soundtrack, the soundtrack is just dope. Shout out to Motown.

Chris: 10:49

I'm a Motown head anyway, so to begin it with a classic by Diana Ross and Supremes was perfect. Yeah, to set the tone of the movie. It felt lighthearted, just like a teenage buddy comedy type of feel.

Chris: 11:09

Well, you felt like you was in the 70s as soon as that song came on, or 60s. You just you just felt like you was just, you was back in time. Yeah, like because you know where that music takes you. Mentally it takes you to that time.

Chris: 11:15

Motown music is like that anyways, especially the 60s music. Yeah, um, it's a feel, it's a feel, it's a feel.

Chris: 11:22

It really is.

Chris: 11:23

And I think Motown music really personified black unification. Yes, not only that, but elevation in how we portray ourselves in the public you know I'm kind of getting off the subject a little bit when it came to not just making good music but also your image reflecting and representing black people and how we are. So he had coaches and stuff like that for how they dress their style and it was synonymous with the whole Motown family. He really preached family with that.

Chris: 12:00

Barry did an excellent job, man, Excellent job. Hats off to Barry man. Motown did their thing. The music in the movie was man, Excellent job. Hats off to Barry man. Motown did their thing. The music in the movie was spot on, Spot on. Every time they played it it was like that's where it's supposed to be. I really appreciated hearing the soundtrack of Motown throughout this movie. I really did, I did. There's not one point where I was like I don't really need to hear it right then, and there it fit. Every occasion in the movie it did. It was from the beginning to the end, so it was really smooth. I really enjoyed that. The fellas were like in the zoo and I guess they were throwing food at the at the gorilla and the gorilla threw back a little, nice, nice little shitty patty.

Chris: 12:38

Yeah, yeah, right on, right on and had to land on pooter and throughout the movie you'll get I kind of started feeling sorry for pooter to land on Pooter and throughout the movie you'll get I kind of started feeling sorry for Pooter.

Chris: 12:47

I actually felt sorry for Pooter throughout the whole movie because Pooter was like that friend that yo you can hang with us but you ain't one of us, kind of thing, and they made sure he understood you can hang with us, but you're not one of us, yeah, so you'll basically get the shorter end of the stick, that the darkest, uh piece of licorice, and you name it, dude.

Chris: 13:11

Yeah, the worst of the worst.

Chris: 13:12

You're getting the worst of the worst you're getting the short end of the straw, no matter what, no matter what happens. But pooter.

Chris: 13:18

I'm glad you brought that up because pooter's character. I felt sorry for him too until as the movie went on. I'm like pooter starting a lot of this. A lot of shit going on in the movie got to do with pooter it does it really does, and we're gonna talk about some of that.

Chris: 13:33

We're gonna get to that later, but pooty like pooter wasn't.

Chris: 13:36

Pooter wasn't an innocent character in this by far. He caused or had a lot to do with the skirmishes that was happening and he would be running from the situations like scooter was like, not as as innocent as he seemed from the very beginning, but you know what the dynamic of that is.

Chris: 13:55

Is that and I know you uh not saying you may have been in part of that group or winning or whatever like that, but pooter felt like he was in a position where he had to prove himself Correct. He's kind of forced in this corner where it's like yo wait, I'm one of y'all. Yeah, let me prove it to you, he was the little dude.

Chris: 14:11

So yeah, he's the little dude.

Chris: 14:13

He's the dude that's overlooked and everything even when it came to the girls and everything else.

Chris: 14:16

Especially when it came to the girls, like he didn't exist. He was a ghost. Don't let coach. He's walking the room, it's like it's over. You might as well leave. Look, there was a scene where they walked away from pooter to go to coach. He's yeah, like that's. That's how that went. But the good thing about the the scene in the zoo and the last that the fellas were having, they had a moment where they were cracking your mama jokes and we know that as the dozens and it was good to see that. Yeah, like I remember growing up running the dozens, yeah, with my friends, and it was always pretty much 90 of was your mama jokes yeah, most definitely, most definitely.

Chris: 14:57

And it was 90, it never was nothing.

Chris: 14:59

Nice, it was never, but it was never nothing too serious to where it's like I want to kill you for saying it because we knew it was just jokes yeah, we always knew it was jokes.

Chris: 15:07

Your mama's so fat this, your mama's so stupid this. We cracked them all on each other so much that the jokes wasn't even funny. No more, because we all said the same jokes, yeah, yeah, but it was never taken as serious as maybe kids take it now. You know, say something about somebody, family. Now these teenagers might kill you over some jokes, you know I'm saying but we weren't literal yeah, the worst it got back in the day was we would fight over it.

Chris: 15:31

We just have a fist fight, yeah, and then we'd be back friends five minutes later not even the next day, but just a few minutes later it's all squash and it's totally different now.

Chris: 15:41

So it was, it was. That was a good moment seeing that. So the boys leave the zoo and they end up at martha's soul food spot, uh, where everybody's dancing. There's people shooting dice and stuff like that. Now this is why I want to ask you and I might ask you because you older than me, which you are, but neither one of us was born in in the 60s, so I'm gonna say this do you think that every place the teenagers hung out, they was dancing, they was dancing the fuck out. They was in a soul food place dancing like it was a juke joint. That I don't. Do you think that was a? My question is do you think that was more of a movie aspect of it, like let's just show them dancing in here, or do you think there were actually places where you can eat fried pig ears and dance in the same environment and shoot dice?

Chris: 16:29

well, they shouldn't have been shooting guys. They shouldn't be shooting. Martha was like she had that cleaver on.

Chris: 16:34

Yeah, um, because soon as the door opened they were dancing like it was a full club up there.

Chris: 16:39

Well, yeah, so it's the hangout spot. It's the hangout spot right, it's the hangout spot and it felt like because we visited a couple times in the the movie, a few times in the movie. So it felt like it was the place for the kids in that neighborhood to come together, and they're safe space Bond yeah. This is the place where they could be them. This is the place that they could be free. They could get some good food because, martha, this is the place that they could be free.

Chris: 17:04

They could get some good food, because Martha Correct, you know cook something, yeah, whatever she was Oxtails, that's what she called it Smothered oxtails, yeah, all that stuff.

Chris: 17:17

So I think that I don't know if they were actually that's actually something that would happen, but the fact that it did happen was meant to show the audience that hey, this is the spot, almost like on Happy Days days. What was the owls?

Bruce : 17:28

yeah, owls spot.

Chris: 17:28

Yeah, that that's where all the teenagers went, right, you know they had milkshakes and whatever you know, burgers or whatever like that, and that's where they hung out. Yeah, you know, it wasn't that just that they went there to eat, but that's where they hung out. That's where they hung out, yeah that kind of had.

Chris: 17:41

I noticed that from the very beginning. I'm like are they dancing in the soap?

Chris: 17:46

in a soap and it was like cramped. It was cramped, cramped your body to buy. It's literally like you got two or three tables right here to serve, you got the counter right there where she serves the food and then it's literally just past the tables, a little spot where people can dance.

Chris: 18:03

It was packed and it stayed packed. And what's weird is that, like martha, was was clearly the oldest, the only adult there. Martha was probably only about 28, 29 yeah in reality.

Chris: 18:14

She wasn't really that old. You can see in her face she wasn't an old lady, but she dressed like a little lady. She dressed, she had what you got the moo moo. Yeah, she had the moo moo on and she had the bonnet on. I swear, dude, it looked like she literally rolled out of, rolled out of bed and then when she got up the stand up she had the cleaver in her hand ready to go to work, which was the only utensil they ever showed her with in the entire movie.

Chris: 18:39

That's true, that's she only had a cleaver, not a spoon to stir the stew. No, not a ladle for the gravy, just just a straight cleaver. It was a cleaver. She only had a cleaver, not a spoon to stir the stew. No, not a ladle for the gravy, just a straight cleaver, it was a cleaver. Yeah, that was her kitchen weapon of choice.

Chris: 18:51

Do you think she was stirring the gravy with the cleaver? Do you think she only used that utensil? Because I'm like we only seen it with one utensil. We didn't even see any utensils on the counter. So it see them with one utensil. We didn't even see any utensils on the counter. It was like she had to be stirring the gravy with the cleaver, man flapping the pancakes with the cleaver yeah, that was that was. That was kind of what I thought. I was like that's crazy. Yeah, uh. So now we get to the point where uh preaches, uh shooting dice with uh stone and rob um, and then their dice game gets interrupted by the beautiful brenda yeah, brenda hits the screen.

Chris: 19:32

They put brenda on the screen. Her entrance was like on some glamorous shit. That's what you see more of a white fan where it's like that camera pan up, yeah, that beautiful face. That was dope. How they did that, for that was that was dope.

Chris: 19:45

That was a great shot, her, her entry, and you could tell where she entered it, that she wasn't just going to be like it, actually like we don't see this girl again, and she's going to play a very integral part of this film, and the crazy thing about it is is that let's be real Preach is probably the least likely guy that could probably get a chick like Brenda.

Chris: 20:07

In reality, yes, in reality.

Chris: 20:09

So Cochise is in the room. We all know that Cochise was the ladies' man. He was the man Period. Every woman wanted him. And then you had Stone and Robert in the room, who was the hard, tough, hard and criminal type. They was the thugs, they was the thugs, they was the thugs. So if you want a thug, love, you had robert and stone, real rob, and then you had preach, which preach was this which was weird because preach was kind of cool with robin stone, even though it was a thug.

Chris: 20:33

He's preach, but they were actually cool, though, but that's just go to show, and if you caught up, if you caught this at the beginning of the movie, um, and just what they have been through so far. Up to that point, preach is a hustler. He was, and the one thing preach believed in is he believed in himself and that was established and it never left the film he believed in himself and preach could come at you with some, some bs.

Chris: 20:59

Yeah, he'd be like, oh, preach you lying. And then he will sacrifice or put his neck on the line to prove that yo, no, I'm not lying. Yeah, even when he was lying he believed his own bullshit.

Chris: 21:12

He believed his own bullshit exactly.

Chris: 21:14

He believed it, but he came through.

Chris: 21:17

We're gonna talk about that, both parts in the movie you know later in the movie too, but so in this scene, when brenda shows up, uh is, is is something that caught my attention because, you know, I have, I have four aunts. Uh, a couple of them is light skin, couple of them is dark skin. I remember them making jokes about the light skin, dark skin thing. And in this scene with brenda coach, she says to him you'll never get that high yellow bitch. Yeah, and that made me think about how black people used to talk about light-skinned women and how light-skinned women used to talk about black women. But when he said that, I'm like oh, I remember my mother and her sisters having those conversations about being high yellow. I have an aunt that's very high yellow and I used to always bang on her right, she used to get back at them saying y'all black ass this and y'all.

Chris: 22:05

So I remember those conversations and I'm like that was what was going on between black people back then instead of us all being one. It was always this yellow thing. It's still going on.

Chris: 22:16

And it's still going on, yeah, especially when we talk about light-skinned brothers and dark-skinned brothers.

Chris: 22:21

Correct, but it's more to the men now than to the, because I don't think dudes trip off to women no more. You see the yellowest dudes with the darkest women and vice versa. Yeah, but now the conversation is men. Now, right, you act. What they be saying about Clay and Steph, they acting like light-skinned niggas today.

Chris: 22:36

Yeah.

Bruce : 22:36

You know what I'm saying.

Chris: 22:38

So it's become a man thing now to where we making this. You know this difference between the dark skin. Oh you on your dark skin today, huh yeah. So that was a kind of weird moment, but it reminded me of something. But during that situation, coach East and Preach bet a dollar that Preach couldn't have sex with Brenda. Preach wouldn't be able to back her, and that comes back to bite him in the ass later on. That's where the bet began. That's where the bet began.

Chris: 23:07

It almost feels like that's where the movie hints at a dark turn. It turned it turned it turned.

Chris: 23:17

But that also going back to the light skin thing, that also tells you the value they put on skin back then. Because he thought she was so high coach, she thought she was. So he thought that brenda was so high yellow that she would even never even mess with a dude like right, that's the pedestal that was put on lighter skin women with that they wouldn't even mess with dark, dark skin men like you wouldn't even have a chance unless you was an athlete like coach cheese or somebody right in an entertainment business.

Chris: 23:46

But it was like that pedestal had been there all that time with the color differences between men and women, and it's good that at least nowadays brothers don't even care about shit like that no more man no, nobody cares about that. You got a white skin girl over in dark and white, right mexican. Like we brothers don't care, man, we really don't care about that type of stuff, no so it's, it's more the dimension than it is the skin.

Chris: 24:12

Thank you, thank you.

Chris: 24:15

So, uh, we get to a part where coach ease goes home, um, to his, to his apartment. It looks like it's maybe a two-bedroom, very small, and it's a bunch of people. You can tell he's from a house where it's just a bunch of people in the house it just, yeah, his mama's there with a. I'm assuming that's his dad, but he didn't call him dad, but he was sitting with the mama. Yeah, and Jimmy Lee, yeah, and Jimmy Lee. And Jimmy Lee was trying to explain why they had to bail him out of jail, right, right, and it's a little baby running around the damn house. We don't know who baby that is.

Chris: 24:48

Nah, typical black man. The whole Jimmy Lee thing kind of threw me off, because it's like okay, who is Jimmy Lee?

Chris: 24:57

Let's talk about that for a minute. Jimmy Lee he called her aunt, okay, so he's definitely related to them. Yeah, he's a member of the family, so I'm assuming he's Cochise's older cousin, right, that would make him his older cousin, right? Yes, but the older cousin is always in trouble. Yes, because it didn't seem like this was the first time he had been bailed out of jail. No, and he had on the pimp fit, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean so he was not forget about the pimp somebody said I can't.

Chris: 25:31

I read it somewhere too. It was like um, I think it was laurence hilton jacobs who had made a comment to the jimmy lee character about him being a pimp. But you never. He never had no ho holes, it is like. It's like I can't be a pimp, you ain't got holes he pulled it off, he pulled it off.

Chris: 25:49

He looked, he looked the part and he went to jail as the part we never, found out what he went to jail for nah they never nah all I know is the aunt was like jimmy you, you better pay us our money back, like we in here. We starving here, right we staying in the product rats and roaches.

Chris: 26:07

We got babies running around so yeah, and going back to that, um I I kind of want to talk about the the projects a little bit, where they're from, because it's called cabrini green projects green shout out to green green.

Chris: 26:19

Yeah, the cabrini green which is tore down now.

Chris: 26:21

Right, dude, it's all gentrified now. Oh really, yeah, for the most part, those projects don't exist. That's crazy.

Chris: 26:28

Yeah, um, uh, shout out to the old cabrini, oh yeah yeah, kind of like how we do the old acorn shout out to the old acorn, acorn village yeah, you're still in our, in our hearts um, but uh, those projects, those places, it felt like every family had that where it was. Like you know, it wasn't just a few, a couple of people that lived in the building or whatever like that, but it was literally like whole families and extensions of families that lived in these buildings, which, uh, I mean, you know it's, it's wild when you think about it yeah, the space that they had and stuff.

Chris: 27:06

Because, uh, I immediately when, like when coach he said the beginning, when he's coming upstairs to preach his room or whatever like that, I immediately felt claustrophobic because it looked like preach's room literally was a bed in a window.

Chris: 27:18

I couldn't imagine living in that small of a space but having these huge dreams and ideas of grandeur and you living in this fucking roach infested little ass space, little space, probably sleeping with like three or four siblings yeah, that's crazy yeah shout out to my parents for making me your only child thank you very much because I do not think I could have brothers and sisters, because I'm very, I'm really big on having space.

Chris: 27:46

Yeah my whole life yeah, I'd be kicking people out, it would be, especially if I'm the oldest sibling, I'd be hurting my get the fuck out.

Chris: 27:56

Well, I was a nice kid, brother yeah, you had.

Chris: 27:59

You have how many siblings?

Chris: 28:01

um, I grew up in a house with two sisters and a brother. I'm being the oldest, so it wasn't too crazy.

Chris: 28:07

Nah, it was pretty Nah. But at one point we stayed on Alvin Grimm Court. If you know, alvin Grimm Court, gateway Apartments is what it's called now. It was two bedroom places. So at one point it was four of us in one bedroom, my little baby sister, she was a baby. Us in one bedroom, my little baby sister, she was a baby. Uh, her crib was up against the wall, and then up against the uh other wall was, uh, the bunk beds which me and my brother slept in.

Chris: 28:34

Then my sister slept in a bed by the window on, so each wall had a bed, basically yeah, and I remember seeing a lot of my friends because I was the only only child literally the only only child in my, my clique, and I remember seeing that type of setup in their homes where you got the bunk beds and then you got another bed right here and you got one dresser is everybody's dress, everybody's clothes exactly one closet is everybody's clothes the dresser is right.

Chris: 29:01

By the chest is rather, it wasn't a dress because we didn't have space for that, but we had a chest which stands up tall, yeah, and right next to it was this little closet. I remember seeing my friends living just like that.

Chris: 29:13

I remember saying I'm glad I'm holding you.

Chris: 29:20

But also in this apartment, coach Ease is waiting for a letter from Grambling Remember, he's a big basketball star. He asked his mom did the letter come? She's like, if it ain't here, it ain't come. Come to find out. The little baby, the badass little baby who we still don't know what baby that was had the letter in the toilet playing with it. Cochise takes the letter from the baby and finds out it's the actual grambling acceptance letter that he was waiting for. So it was a bright spot of the movie that we got to see that coach cheese is actually a great athlete.

Chris: 29:52

Yeah, you know, he's being rewarded for it which is weird because coach cheese is has like zero uh tendency to address any of his academic responsibilities at all, so I don't know how he got that scholarship, because it wasn't off his grades night but it couldn't have been.

Chris: 30:14

We only saw him shoot a basketball like one time the whole movie once or twice, twice, twice, yeah, so we didn't really get to see how good he was playing basketball.

Chris: 30:24

obviously you can have bad grades and still get an acceptance letter for Grambling In the 60s I guess you could.

Chris: 30:29

In the 60s there was no requirement.

Chris: 30:31

I guess, nah, you know interesting thing about that the original script when it was submitted by Eric Monti. In the original script that wasn't supposed to happen. Coach East was actually supposed to walk in and the letter was going to be on the dresser, but Michael Schultz was actually prompted by the producers to say hey, let's put more of your experience in there. So there was a similar experience that I can't remember if it was Eric or if it was Michael that had that experience about a baby taking an important document and putting it in the toilet and stuff, and that's kind of that came from a real experience so that came from a real experience.

Chris: 31:10

I can't remember who whose it was, but they decided to put that in the movie and I'm glad that they did, because it added a little bit more uh, it helped you to understand how that house is run yeah, shit was crazy and it's you got babies putting letters in the toilet and nobody knows nothing, you ask the question hey, have you seen, have you nah?

Chris: 31:32

you walk into your mother and I guess your father, who's not really saying nothing, uh, having a conversation with your cousin who just got out of jail. Yeah, you got a random baby walking around putting letters in the toilet, yeah, and there was other shit you gotta deal with it was like, was there a one or two other kids? It was other kids in there too, just around running around and it was just chaos like this dude gotta come home to this shit no wonder he ain't never home.

Chris: 31:57

I think it's the only time they showed him at his house.

Chris: 32:00

That's the only time I don't blame him.

Chris: 32:02

Neither I don't blame I, wouldn't come like later later for y'all turkeys, yeah so we get to a point to where preach and the fellas and they got the little wine and preach starts talking about um wanting to be a writer, you know, wanting to be a big writer but but nobody believes him. They all joke about this shit. He gets into it with willie yeah, I want to say he gets into it, willie. Yeah, because willie starts reading some of his poetry and stuff, which means willie gotten to his, his books or whatever, and they start fighting. But even after the fight, preach says something to the fact of like I wouldn't expect y'all niggas to understand because y'all gonna be some factory working niggas, which lets me know that he had it in his mind like he was never going to be like that.

Chris: 32:51

He wanted more and Coach Cheese, to his credit, was like don't worry about them, dudes, man, I believe you. So, going back to their friendship, even after he fought with Willie and the dudes was laughing at him. Cochise was like don't worry about it, dude. You just basically tell them you do you, don't worry about them laughing. Because I think Cochise kind of understood, like you probably right, they probably going to end up working in a factory.

Chris: 33:17

Which they did.

Chris: 33:18

Which they did, which they did. And it goes to show you how far dreams can take you in reality. If you don't dream of being great, how could you ever become great? You got to have the dream first.

Chris: 33:33

You got to be able to project it with your mental eye where you're going to be and what you're going to do to get there, so that the physical manifestation of it has more of a chance of it taking place. And anybody that's in a successful role will tell you that. One person I always remember is Jim Carrey. And when Jim Carrey before he even got the part on In Living Color, when he decided, hey, I want to be an actor, he wrote a $10 million check to himself and he says I'm going to keep going until I can cash this to myself. That's what's up. And he did.

Chris: 34:08

I think after he got on with ace ventura in the mask, and I think by the time he got on with ace ventura too, he was well over 10 million I know at one point he was doing 20 a picture and batman returns when he played the riddler paid him off handsomely, yes, so everything kind of happened really quick after he was on In Living Color, which he was amazing in In Living Color. Oh yeah, and shout out to Jim Carrey, because Jim Carrey never forgot his brothers.

Chris: 34:39

He never forgot the weigh-ins and what they did for him Never, and he always, to this day even still, credit them to his success.

Chris: 34:46

No, that was. It was a great. It was a great thing to see what he did with his career. But it's I like that part with preach and and coachees and the fellas to show you that sometimes you can hang in a pack of dudes and some of them don't even believe in themselves. Yeah, and you might seem like the weird dude because you got big dreams and ideas. I mean, you feel like the weirdo not much has changed.

Chris: 35:12

Because, let's, let's say, take you and I, for instance, right um, you do a movie and I act in it. Ironico, and I, let's say, I got the lead role, I'm getting all these awards and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Who's going to get? Who's going to get the credit, the spotlight, the, the, the accolades and everything? Yeah, the actor me.

Chris: 35:32

Yeah, the actor where? But it was me acting out what you wrote down, what you put together, what you directed, what you edited, what you know what I'm saying and you probably no name. Riley won't even get mentioned.

Chris: 35:46

At all, at all.

Chris: 35:47

Unless I get up there on an acceptance speech and mention it. You would have to say it yourself. But you are the real star, because if you didn't do that, I wouldn't be able to, I wouldn't be able to act, I wouldn't have a job. See what I'm saying? So, like I said, said it's like that today, and the thing is is that those guys that play the background or what have you, um, when it comes to the whole fame or recognition part, they don't really get recognized. You know, hopefully, if you're smart enough, you, you still get in your paper. You're getting paid. Yeah, yeah, which is the most important part, right?

Chris: 36:20

I can do without the fame, just exactly but you know, with fame, comes the women and all that. Yes, of course the problems More money, more problems, more money, more problems.

Chris: 36:31

So in Preach's situation, maybe Cochise understood that because it wasn't a cool thing. Come on man, a girl comes up. If a girl approached and this is the 60s, now 64, a coach, he's and preach and says what do you do?

Chris: 36:50

oh baby, I'm a basketball star, so basketball star yes and then you say, okay, preacher, what do you do?

Chris: 36:55

and he's shorter, darker glasses. Oh baby, uh, I write poetry. Uh, let me read you something real quick. Your eyes are blue as the sea that sprinkles from the sky. You know goofy stuff like that or whatever. And she's going to be like, yeah, I'm going to go with him.

Bruce : 37:12

You know what I'm saying.

Chris: 37:14

So it wasn't a popular thing. It probably still isn't a popular thing.

Chris: 37:18

I would say it definitely is not still not a popular thing to tell a woman.

Chris: 37:29

You're trying to get the draws to tell her that you're a writer?

Chris: 37:30

probably still not gonna get you your draws, unless you tell her hey, I ghost write for drake, thank you. Then it's like oh, and you know what she's?

Chris: 37:33

gonna say drop a name. You know what she's gonna say. Oh, how can you introduce me to drake?

Chris: 37:39

see. It always comes back to the star. It's almost like why even work? That's why they say behind the scenes, behind the camera, behind the scenes exactly what that is you are not seen. Yeah, you have to be comfortable with that. Yeah, like the whole production could be about you. You did right, but nobody would never know you did it and you have to be cool with that. Yeah, let the actors shine how they shine and hopefully they shout you out, hopefully. But you can't even be mad if they don't because you chose to be behind the camera. Yeah, you chose that life. And me as a director, I've always been comfortable with yo. If nobody don't know that I did this movie, that movie, that's fine, right, but as long as that those actors know what I did for them and what they did for me, we good yeah as long as we had a mutual understanding, I don't care what the public think, and as long as my money is right, I really don't care what the public think.

Chris: 38:30

Thank you, because to me it ain't never really been more money, more problems.

Chris: 38:34

It's more fame, more problems right there's a lot of people with money that nobody know exist. Yeah, so money ain't really the issue. Yeah, it's the fame that's the issue. The fame brings the issues with groupies and your family, knowing that you just got a $100 million contract because they put it in the paper, stuff like that, but there's. I want to say this they said there's almost 10,000 millionaires in the city of San Jose alone. There's millionaires all over San Jose, but you'd walk right past them, you'dose alone. There's millionaires all over san jose, yeah, but you'd walk right past them. You never know they're millionaires.

Chris: 39:09

You would never know. Your next door neighbor is a multi-millionaire. You know why? Because they don't flash it, they drive a volvo. Yeah, their house is paid for though. Yeah, the house is paid for. They're taking vacations, they're taking vacations, but they're driving that Volvo. The wife probably still got the wedding ring from 30 years ago.

Chris: 39:30

She ain't upgraded it. She did none of that stuff, yep. So to me it's always been like more fame, more problems than more money, because I think you can hide money If you know what you're doing. You can hide the fact that you got $10 million in the bank, yep. Can't hide fame, though. You can't be Michael Jackson trying to hide that you're. Michael.

Chris: 39:51

Jackson, Like that's not going to happen. That's not going to happen.

Chris: 39:54

You can't hide that you're Mike Tyson.

Chris: 39:56

Right, you can physically see that you're.

Chris: 39:57

Mike Tyson Even with a hoodie on, you still look like mike. So you know I've never subscribed to the. More money is always more fame. That's why I've always said keep the fame, just give me the money, give me the money, just give me the money. So the fellas at this part of the movie end up at the the 25 cent party. Yeah, uh, and stone and rob couldn't get in, which tells me a lot about Stone and Rob being broke as fuck. God damn, y'all got 25 cents.

Chris: 40:26

Yeah, Bruce even in the 60s brothers didn't have 25 cents.

Chris: 40:31

They lost it to Preach, preach broke them and Martha's.

Chris: 40:38

He broke them.

Chris: 40:40

You know what, though? Preach broke them for 50 cents. You could see that Stone and Rob were well-known in the neighborhood.

Chris: 40:53

But clearly not for making money.

Chris: 40:56

I feel like that they were. It didn't really go into their backstory much, but I feel like that they were like dropouts, so they knew everybody and everybody knew them. So they already like dropouts.

Chris: 41:04

So they knew everybody and everybody knew them yeah.

Chris: 41:05

So they already had the reputation.

Chris: 41:07

It's like, yeah, y'all trouble whenever y'all come around you know these are the dudes you don't want to mess with.

Chris: 41:12

No, you don't want to mess with them and you don't, even though we know you, we don't want to be associated.

Chris: 41:18

We don't have to be. Oh, and let's just discuss the elephant in the room. In the 70s, in the 60s and 70s in Hollywood, did they not care about the mouth of these actors Because Rob and Stone Grill was fucked up. Let me tell you something.

Chris: 41:39

Them teeth looked horrible. Let me tell you something about Rob and Stone. So the actors that play Rob and Stone they weren't actors, so this is how they got the part. So they're wrapping up the film, they're getting ready to film and everything like that on set. And they have these characters in the script Rob and Stone.

Chris: 41:58

Characters were already written into the script Pretty much, okay, cool. So the producer went out to look for actual street thugs, and that's when they came across stone and uh, the stone and robert characters. Here's the interesting thing how they found them. They went around the neighborhood, some of the craziest parts of the neighborhood, to try to find them. Okay, the police officers that they had talked to had basically recommended them.

Chris: 42:31

They don't get no thug here, right here, these two motherfuckers all right there so six in the morning, they just finished playing basketball or whatever like that, and they were headed over somewhere to get something to eat early, early in the morning. And so the producer pulled up and he yells out at a limo, he's in a limo. He yells out a limo, hey, y'all two want to be in a movie. So Norman Gibson is the guy who played Robert, and you know Rick Stone they call him Rick Stone, but Sherman Smith is his real name. They looked at each other and they was like, well, no, nothing about no movie. You know, this was like weird to them. And then Robert Norman Gibson was like yo, but if it don't work out or whatever, like that man, we could stick the whole place up.

Chris: 43:21

Wow, he was like yeah, we with it, so they they going gonna get some money regardless regardless, we ain't doing shit else. So, yeah, we, we can stick up the joint if we don't like what you know, if it ain't going, you know, to plan. So when they got there, there was a lot of people there yeah, of course, for the role or whatever like that, and they came in and they nailed. The producer just literally said act, natural. And they did it.

Chris: 43:52

And they're the only ones in the whole movie that didn't have written lines. They tossed the script and they said because they wanted it authentic, they wanted it to be a reaction that was real, they took a chance reaction that was real. They took a chance because they was real criminal.

Chris: 44:08

Yeah, it could have gone terribly wrong. They took a chance because in so many ways it could have gone my goodness very wrong very wrong.

Chris: 44:15

Yeah, somebody say the wrong thing or whatever like that. I think what helped the situation is that glenn turman and Lawrence Hilton Jacobs they actually kind of formed a relationship with these guys. So it was the respect. It was a lot of respect on that. So it's like nah, we're not going to do that to these guys, kind of thing. So I think if it wasn't for those two stars that really, like you know, they built some camaraderie.

Chris: 44:44

Yeah, that brought them down to earth, made them feel comfortable. You know they built some camaraderie. Yeah, that brought them down, made them feel comfortable. Yeah, you know, as professional actors, that it probably wouldn't have Like if they would have just mixed them up with all these other people that really weren't actors either and stuff like that. It would have been a big old mess.

Chris: 45:00

So what you're saying is Stone and Robert were already friends. Yes, that's deep. Yes, that's deep yes. Because on screen it felt that way. Yep, it's like two friends, actors, two friends street thugs. You can see it Like they really seem, like they rock out like that, Like they be stealing cars and all that shit.

Chris: 45:18

That was real. That's crazy. They were for real about. That was real. They were for real about that. Um and uh, the crazy thing is is that that dynamic is felt through the whole movie they was just being them dude. Yeah, they had.

Chris: 45:34

They changed their names for the movie, but they were literally being sherman smith and, uh, norman gibson now, what makes that interesting is that, now that I think about it, every scene that they're in they're together. Yep, they don't have any separate scenes. Nope, stone and Robert is always together. That's dope. Yeah, that makes the story that you just said even more authentic. Like they really was rocking out like that in the streets. It was real, it was real, it was real. So they couldn't robin stone couldn't get into the party. Coachees ends up there, uh, with the fellas, uh, they finessed their way in, yep, um, coachees ends up dancing with damon's girlfriend, who was out of pocket because she knows she's damon's girlfriend and damon is always starting shit, because even a girl that let him in was like damon, don't you come in here fighting, you always be fighting, yeah, which was kind of. Even a girl that let him in was like Damon, don't you come in here fighting?

Chris: 46:26

You always be fighting. Yeah, which was kind of stupid for you to let him in if you know he's always fighting and breaking up parties. But you still let him into your party. We pay. You got to 25 cents. Damon paid you that drop in the bucket. It was like he in there. So Damon starts tripping with. This is another thing. This is the simp sucker culture. You tripping off the dude dancing with your woman instead of your woman who let the dude dance with her, like you, mad at the wrong person bro.

Chris: 46:53

Here's the thing Even though Cochise was a womanizer and you could kind of see it in the movie, he had morals.

Chris: 47:02

He did To a certain degree he did.

Chris: 47:05

I don't think Cochise would have danced with her if he had morals. He did. To a certain degree he did. I don't think Cochise would have danced with her if he had known that that was Damon's girl.

Chris: 47:10

Correct. I agree. I don't think he would. I don't think he would have messed with her.

Chris: 47:12

I don't think he was a disrespectful person, no Like that, no, no, and in fact I put all that on the girl, it's all on her. I put it all on her.

Chris: 47:26

And the reason why is because, as you watch the scene, she's on him, yeah, staring him down on him, as they say. I fucking the shit out of him on him.

Chris: 47:34

She was doing way too much to be somebody else's woman, correct? So I don't know what happened between her and damon after that situation or whatever like that. But he should have never. He should have been kicked, hurt to the curb.

Chris: 47:46

But Damon came in there. Damon came there loud and belligerent like I'm gonna kick his mother, like he was doing a lot for them to just be doing, even if she was out of pocket, which she was they were just dancing. He came in there like he saw them having sex.

Chris: 48:02

He came in there on some old having sex, right, he came in there on like he busted him, yeah, he came in on some super energy like this is my woman, and blah, blah, blah, and it was just you could see the whole time. Coach. He's was kind of like tell him like bro, okay, bro yeah, he was.

Chris: 48:15

That's the thing, it's good bro, I didn't know I didn't know my bad girl okay, cool.

Chris: 48:22

Yeah, damon wanted to fight, so that's that's what I'm saying. It's like that. That simp coach is like dude you. You ain't looking at who the real villain of this dance is. It's your woman, it's not coach, he's. No, he did not know that was your woman. No, he would not have disrespected you in that way I think it went beyond that.

Chris: 48:42

Uh, that damon was a hater anyways prior to the party, because, coach, he's already has that reputation yes and it's not necessarily taking girls or taking others girls, but he just has that, that reputation where he could have any girl he wanted. The ladies love him, the ladies loved him. Yeah, you know.

Chris: 48:59

And damon was definitely. Damon was definitely a hater of coach. He's before that party, way before the party. Definitely. He might have been hating him, since he was like eight years old Probably. He's like I'm going to get him, I'm going to get him. Damn, sits the sandbox yeah.

Chris: 49:14

Damn. Oh, he's still in my shine.

Chris: 49:20

So what's interesting about that particular scene like this is the first time where Preach is in another room hollering at Brenda and they're actually talking and getting along. She gets to know the real Preach, she's getting to know him and he's actually getting some headway with Brenda. And then this fight happens and it breaks up that whole chemistry.

Chris: 49:41

The cool thing about what I like and it's the first time I seen preach not being that a hustle mode all the time where he actually broke down and he became vulnerable. Yeah, and you know, and she's reading a book, he's like, and he starts recommending books to her and then he starts and it's like, okay, you're in, but he did it by just being preached, being himself, just be yourself. If she dig it, you got. You got something if she don't. It's all good too, you know, she just ain't.

Chris: 50:09

She just ain't the one so um, but that's a lesson I think in relationships is you don't have to be, you don't have to have your representative be to precede you when it comes to talking to another person that you're interested in, right? You see what I'm saying to to try to appeal to them, or think you're appealing to what it is that they want in an individual right because obviously brenda was a different type of girl very, and he could have just been himself the whole time the whole time he didn't have to be nobody special.

Chris: 50:40

No, because she wasn't even on that type of time.

Chris: 50:42

She's not on that type, I mean he was on that hustler player, yeah type of thing, even back with martha's. You know he grabbed her hand and tried to kiss it. You know he's trying to be, you know because, because of his environment that's around him yeah, I mean he's trying to. He's basically becoming that environment. Yes, that he's, you know, and it's a turn off. It was a turn off to her, yeah, and he didn't understand it, you know. He's like all women, like this you know, and they don't, how could they like the real me?

Chris: 51:12

but um, he let his guard down, um, because, uh, he. There's a similar interest that linked them, and that was the reading of books and poetry yeah, which I thought was beautiful, and I think that's a lot.

Chris: 51:23

That's something that most young men I would say young men needs to understand is, like, most of the time, the girl that you really want really would like for you to just be you. Yep, you don't have to be a rapper or ball player or be flashy, none of that stuff. The baddie that you really want, she would be fine with you just being you. Yeah, that's it. As corny as you might think you are, she's probably cool with that. Yeah, because there's so many dudes that's trying to out act other dudes on coolness um, flashing money, instagram, ig stuff and just doing too much that that probably gets boring to a lot of females to run into the dudes who's doing the same thing and the dude who would stand out would be the dude who just be themselves, just being himself. Just be yourself. Yeah, you know. Look, I know the cheesecake factory been getting a lot of heat. Take it to the cheesecake factory, you don't have to go to nobu.

Chris: 52:18

Yeah, she's getting she's going to nobu three times a week with dudes that's trying to show wow, her Taking her to Cheesecake Factory, showing that you somebody different that ain't tripping off that type of stuff.

Chris: 52:29

It's all about the experience, it's the experience.

Chris: 52:32

When it comes to, y'all can have a great conversation at the Cheesecake Factory, yep, or you could be at Nobu on your phones and never even have a conversation with her Like yeah, you are correct.

Chris: 52:45

It's. You are correct, it's the experience. It ain't what you eat, it ain't none of that stuff place it ain't the event and none of that, it's the experience.

Chris: 52:48

It's the experience I've been on um, uh you know, in my younger days on dates and stuff like that, or taking girl women on dates and stuff I'm thinking it's like yo, this is the best place I could take you, you know but we just didn't click, yeah spending a lot of money and it ain't the but it ain't. She ain't feeling it because she ain't feeling me. Yeah, period, so it had had nothing to do with me taking you somewhere or buying you this or anything like that.

Chris: 53:15

Correct, because it's the experience that matters, it's the vibe, the experience, yeah, and I think a lot of young men need to understand that. There gets to a part where Jimmy Lee we get to see Jimmy Lee's hustle, shadiness a little bit. He tells a white guy that he has a girl in the back of an apartment complex that if he goes knocks on the last door in the back she's going to do him real good. But then he tells the white guy leave your money with me because while you in there she's gonna do him real good. But then he tells the white guy leave your money with me because while you in there she might rip you off. So the white guy leaves his money with jimmy lee. Jimmy lee takes off with the man's money, of course. Clearly he goes to the back to go get some booty, opens the door and it's a big, huge black man. Call them all type of honkies what you want. Honky, get your honky ass out of here, honky.

Chris: 54:07

He was like is so and so here.

Chris: 54:12

I feel like the word honky was written like in capitals, with exclamation marks on it, because he said it honky yeah.

Chris: 54:21

What you want, honky. He put some extra honk into it.

Chris: 54:24

He put some extra honk into it. For those who don't know, that was the term for a white guy he was a cracker, yeah, or a honky. Which one do you think was worse to call a white person in the 60s and 70s?

Chris: 54:36

I was a honky, I don't know.

Chris: 54:38

I wouldn't want to be called a honky I wouldn't want to be called a honky I almost rather be called a nigga than a honky.

Chris: 54:44

That's's just. I don't know. There's just something bad about being called a honky man.

Chris: 54:48

What did the I need to research? What did the term honky even is it honky tonk? Is that did it come from?

Chris: 54:54

I think honky tonk was a term that applied to like a certain type of rock music.

Chris: 54:58

That's what I thought Like.

Chris: 55:06

Early rock music. What would honky come from? Like honky tonk? Yeah, I don't know. I gotta research. And then it became a. Uh, yeah, it became one of those terms. Just anybody in?

Chris: 55:10

the audience. Let me know, research it for me. Where did cracker come from and where did honky come from? We need to know because in his movies that dude said honky very proficient, like it was in that script a lot.

Chris: 55:23

He was unapologetic.

Chris: 55:26

But once again we got to see Jimmy Lee really don't have no hoes because there was no woman involved in this scam at all.

Chris: 55:33

This is when you thought you was going to see Jimmy Lee's hoes.

Chris: 55:36

It's like he ain't got no hoes. He ain't got no hoes.

Chris: 55:40

He's just a hustler, he's just stealing money from people, he just steal it buddy. Yeah, he's blue ball man. I thought he was going to have something bad up in there. Man rock dude's world, yeah right.

Chris: 55:49

The fellas are outside of Martha's the hangout spot and Stone and Rob pull up with a stolen vehicle, and it was clean too.

Chris: 56:00

It was a nice whip.

Chris: 56:02

And this is what bothered me about Cochese's character. You are at this point. You already know you're going to Grambling. Yep, you cool with riding stolen cars with these two niggas, Like you know they're criminals. You know it's a stolen car, you getting ready to go to Grambling. You know it ain't their car. You know it ain't their car. Yeah, let me tell you. You know it ain't their car. You know it ain't their car.

Bruce : 56:29

Yeah, let me tell you, you know it ain't their car, because they don't even have 25 cents to get into a dance.

Chris: 56:32

So you know damn well they ain't got a car at all. So you see, and that goes back to whoever the dude that was sitting there with Cold Cheese's mom, he wasn't no type of father figure at all, because Cold Cheese should have known better than to get in a car with Rob and Stone, because even Preach didn't want to go. Remember, colchese was like I know you're not going, I know you're coming. Peer pressure. Preach already knew these ain't the dudes you really want to be riding around with in any car.

Chris: 57:00

No he gambles with them, so he knows how to get down.

Chris: 57:04

Right. So no, he gambles with him. So he knows, he knows how to get down right. So it was kind of. That's why I was like, come on, coach, he's man, you got to be more. You gotta. It's hell of people in your mama apartment. You need to get all these people out the ghetto, you gotta have. You gotta think smarter than riding with robs. Let's get back to robin stone. Don't have nothing to lose, no, so it didn't matter whether they got caught. No, and it feels like. It feels like preach understood that, but coach he's for some reason didn't understand that these two didn't have nothing to lose and you have everything to lose.

Chris: 57:36

I think with coach he's just like I got, he's just he's on himself a little bit, I think, and it's one of those things where it's like I already got into grambling or whatever like that so it really doesn't matter what I do at this point.

Chris: 57:46

He's feeling himself a little bit at this point. I'm going to have some fun before I have to hunker down and get serious in college.

Chris: 57:53

I don't know if you want that type of fun. No, he's a very carefree individual. He's he's a multi-dimensional individual and I think that's what it came down to. Though, when it came down to, you know the joy he's like oh hell, yeah, man, let's go, let's have some fun. He's all about fun and having fun and enjoying. You know the last, because there were seniors. You know the last of their, um, their years at, uh, coulee high, which was the name of the school, by the way. We never talked about that, that's right. That's the title of the movie, is the name of the school name of the school edwin j cooley high.

Chris: 58:28

It was a vocational school, vocational high school, and unfortunately it got torn down. They closed it in 79. They tore it down in 81 so yeah 81 so it doesn't exist anymore, but um back then.

Chris: 58:42

Yeah and this was weird because normally that would be considered like an historical landmark, right? I would think Nowadays they would consider that something that you would not tear down. I would think Cooley High. Yeah, you don't tear down Cooley High.

Chris: 58:56

Yeah, dude, it's like the Twin Towers or something. Yeah, it means too much.

Chris: 59:04

It means too much it means too much.

Chris: 59:13

Um, preach is bragging about, uh, some dude that hired him to drive his maserati and he's you could tell he's bullshitting the whole time, big time, and he's believing his own hype again. And, uh, I want to say it was rob. I think I think it was rob might have been stone. That was like go ahead and drive. It was stone. That was like go ahead and drive, it was Stone. It was Stone, like go ahead and drive. And as soon as he said that, I said, oh, it's about to be an adventure, because we know damn well, preach does not know how to drive. Nah, he didn't know how to put the car in drive. He didn't know how to do none of that stuff.

Chris: 59:39

So you knew he didn't know the brake from the gas, he didn't know nothing and it reminded me of a friend of mine.

Chris: 59:46

Well, my cousin actually Shout out to Gerald we're going to see you soon. Gerald told me the same thing. So, Gerald, at this point in time I'm 17. In my first car, Gerald is like four years younger than me, so he's like 13. Gerald tells me that his dad taught him how to drive. Let him drive real quick. So I let him drive the first thing he did. Now we on Fruville-McArthur, in front of the McDonald's right by the post office parked.

Chris: 1:00:16

His car is behind me, in front of me, he puts it in drive and hits the gas Bam. Everybody runs outside, I push him over, jump in the drive and we outside. I push him over, jump in the driveway and we gone.

Bruce : 1:00:28

I'm 17, bro, I'm about to get my ass kicked. I'm feeling for my parents, man, we out of there.

Chris: 1:00:35

I never let him live that down.

Chris: 1:00:37

He could never get in my car, bro I'm talking about. He hit it hard, bam Ran right into the car in front of us. Then he put his hands on his face like foot still on the gas up against the car. I thought you knew how to drive, blah, blah. But my point is, like dudes have always been lying about knowing how to drive since the beginning of time, I did and it actually happened to me, so I know how they could end up in the situation they ended up in the movie girls asked me you drive, you got a car.

Chris: 1:01:12

Oh, I know how to drive. I just ain't got a whip. Yet you leave, not a drive. I didn't say whip back then yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris: 1:01:19

So I, I know exactly how that feels. Uh, I still still got my ass kicked because it still was a damaged car I had to go back home tell my dad about. Yeah, uh, I never put it on gerald, so I took, I took the ass kicking for for my cousin. You owe me salute, so I took it for him, but I still, I still, uh, covered for him, as, as family members, do, you still cover for your family. Don't, don't put them in a mix. But that was an interesting moment because I went through the same thing with my cousin jiro.

Chris: 1:01:52

Shout out to jiro, um, but they get into a high speed chase and, weirdly, preach gets some out of it that's what I'm saying drives his way through it um, that's the thing about preach is preach is a believer, and it's in himself, in himself, in himself even if he bullshits himself. He's like, okay, I gotta show and prove, and then he figures it out. He's probably uh, he was the smartest one in the whole movie. To me the smartest one by far movie, and I'm not just talking about book smarts, but just talking about as far as like survival, yeah, streets.

Bruce : 1:02:28

By far.

Chris: 1:02:29

You know how to be in one environment and be one way and be in another environment and be another way. Yes, but at the soul of him or who he was or whatever like that, he really was a good dude.

Chris: 1:02:39

Yeah, preacher was a really good dude and you could tell all, the, all the dimensions of him, because gambling with stone and rye, uh, hanging out with the girls at martha, knowing how to talk to girls like brenda being at the 25 cent party. He was cool, yeah, kicking and stuff like that. Uh, even driving at a high speed.

Chris: 1:02:57

Yeah, cool, calm and collective the cops that was a fun scene I know, they have very good scene I know they have fun um filming that now, that was a dope scene but when they crashed into dude. The funniest part about it is when they crashed into dude and they let the abandon the car and dude. I could see it in the script. This is all you say whiplash. Because he said whiplash about 10 times come on, are you okay? Whash.

Bruce : 1:03:22

Which way did it go, whiplash.

Chris: 1:03:24

Whiplash I was like oh my.

Chris: 1:03:26

God.

Chris: 1:03:27

Now, in that scene I'm glad you brought that up when they ran into him, the guy was saying whiplash, they actually got away from the cops. Yes, okay, they got away from the cops. We're going to get back to that because that's important. Very. They get away scott, free from the cops. Okay, so we're gonna get off of that, get on to the next one, but that's gonna come back. Okay, so the fellas get to a scene where they playing the fake cops oh yeah, with the prostitutes, yeah, and they literally take ten dollars twenty dollars.

Chris: 1:03:57

Twenty dollars, ten dollars ten dollars from the prostitutes playing fake cops and it was funny just watching them do that Bitch, get up against the wall and the whole time, these two professional girls of the night can't tell that these are teenagers.

Chris: 1:04:14

These ain't real cops, but that's why they hired us, baby. That's what he said too, that's what Coach E said. That's why they hired us.

Chris: 1:04:20

That was hella funny.

Chris: 1:04:28

Because we, we don't look like cops. That was a funny scene, man, and I was like that's pretty smooth.

Chris: 1:04:30

That was one of my favorite scenes. Yeah, prostitute. Yeah, see, because they played it so well.

Chris: 1:04:33

Like that car looked familiar though the the first prostitute very familiar, I couldn't put my finger on who she very familiar I didn't get a chance to look it up she was familiar facial wise, but even more the voice.

Chris: 1:04:44

I'm like I've heard that voice before. I've heard her. I gotta look it up. She was familiar facial wise, but even more the voice.

Chris: 1:04:46

I'm like I've heard that voice before I've heard her voice before. I got to look that up and find out who she is.

Chris: 1:04:51

Yeah, but that was a dope scene. It also showed you the ingenuity and the cleverness of the guys to be like we need some money real quick. Let's go get some money from these hoes over here. Yeah, let's figure out how to get some money from them.

Chris: 1:05:04

And they just figured it out, figured it out, they just did it, they literally she's like oh you gotta let me go, you gotta let me go. Sugar, I'm doing good today and I need the money. He's like we take bribes.

Chris: 1:05:17

He threw that out there we take bribes. Oh, that was smooth.

Chris: 1:05:26

I guess in the 60s you could just say it to a prostitute we do take bribes, we do take bribes.

Chris: 1:05:30

You can give us what you got, but it showed you the level. They wasn't making a lot of money. She only had $10? God damn how much was prostitution back then. It was the 60s man $10?

Chris: 1:05:48

A gallon of milk wasn't but a quarter shoot jeez.

Chris: 1:05:49

So she had enough to buy and you can go into a party for 25 yeah, a party was only 25 cents.

Chris: 1:05:53

It was like dang dude, that's, that's wild. I wish parties they were.

Chris: 1:05:57

They were the reason why they were doing this to the prostitutes and getting the money, because they were trying to go to the movies yeah, they were trying to get the movie money going to see Godzilla? Yeah, so they all get into the movie theater to go see Godzilla. Pooter has to go get snacks. He always want to go to do something he don't need to be doing. That's what I'm telling you.

Chris: 1:06:15

You're one of the fellas, but you ain't one of us. You know, get on out of here like stepping on somebody's foot or something like that. When he comes back with snacks, he's dropping popcorn on people.

Chris: 1:06:28

Yeah, stepping over people he's trying to go back to his original seat and they told him and cochise is with I think it might have been johnny may, I don't know. He was with his girlfriend is johnny may, by the way? Let's make that straight, correct?

Chris: 1:06:41

but you see him with original original girlfriend sandra right, and there's a scene that we actually skipped um to kind of like set the tone between how the dynamics between preach and his girl versus and that was really important because they were making out so cochise was in the stoop right with making out with his girl, with johnny may. This has happened, I think, after the whole zoo scene.

Chris: 1:07:03

Yes, it's early's early in the movie. It's early in the movie. It was a quick scene but it was an important scene.

Chris: 1:07:10

We're going to talk about that in a minute. Cochise is making out with Johnny.

Bruce : 1:07:15

May God our Daniel undressed just about in everything he's about to get it.

Chris: 1:07:20

Preach is looking at him and looking at his girl.

Chris: 1:07:26

It was terrible and his girl was like you ain't getting nothing here you ain't getting nothing here Wasting your time. This is back in the day when Black Widow just was not going for all that bush. They weren't trying to be teenage moms.

Chris: 1:07:35

They weren't trying to do none of that shit, especially if they ain't really feeling you like that Nah, they wasn't feeling you, you wasn't a man. They didn't need to be together anyway and they were together for like most of the movie, even when he was talking to Brenda, you know, preach and Sandra were still together. Yeah.

Chris: 1:07:52

Even though they kind of never showed it, because once it went to Brenda, sandra was kind of out.

Chris: 1:07:57

You kind of forgot about Sandra. You kind of forgot about her, that's why, I didn't bring her up and I'm like they kind of wrote her out of the script. We don't need you no more.

Chris: 1:08:08

They wrote you off to the side you could have had some scenes where Sandra was like in the cut, like hate like hate.

Chris: 1:08:15

So I wrote her out of the script. They put that up to that point yeah, but but that scene you could. Like I said, you could see how smooth Cochise was with his girl, johnny Mae. And so here he is again in the theater and he could. It was literally an empty seat.

Chris: 1:08:36

Oh yeah, he could have sat back down. He could have sat back down.

Chris: 1:08:39

And Cochise looked at him and he's like sit somewhere else, Puddin' was a pest.

Chris: 1:08:45

We've all had friends that were like sit somewhere else, poodle was a pest. We've all had friends that were like that are pests, they're your partners and you got love for them, but they kind of just irritate the fuck out of you like a little ass sibling Like your younger sibling might irritate you, but it's not his fault.

Chris: 1:08:57

Remember at the dance even. He was trying to even get in with the fat girl but the fat girl.

Chris: 1:09:06

all she wanted to do was eat. Shout out to the fat girl in the movie too, she was getting her grub on.

Bruce : 1:09:10

She was grubbing.

Chris: 1:09:10

Whoever that girl was, whoever you are in life, you still alive. This was a movie in 1975. They gave you about five cameo shots in this one film, every time she was eating.

Chris: 1:09:22

He couldn't get no playoff for her. She came here to eat, yeah, yeah, every time she was eating and he couldn't get no playoff for her. So it was like she came here to eat. Yeah, I'm not trying to dance.

Chris: 1:09:30

She came here to eat, I guess back in the day they had you know nice spread or whatever at the parties. But yeah, so pooter steps on somebody's foot and that starts a literally a gang fight, gang war right up in the theater because he was like fight.

Chris: 1:09:45

Yeah, and nobody saw that coming. No, you know I didn't.

Chris: 1:09:48

When I saw it, I'm like oh, I was like oh gd's yeah, damn, yeah, disciples you were what army disciples?

Chris: 1:09:58

oh, yeah, gd's, this light. And the thing is, is that pooter tried to calm the situation. Even then I gotta give it to him, man, because he didn't like run out of there like oh shit's going down, I'm scared. But he, literally he manned up and he was like look man, we ain't gotta do all this, I'm really sorry. And then it was somebody that threw something at the leader. The other leader, yeah, uh, that threw something at him, hit him in the head and and that was it, it was over. Then it was over, it was over. He ended up punching and it just was a big old fight after that it was a big fight.

Chris: 1:10:32

The fellas was running and who was hiding behind. They tore that theater up, though they ripped through the screen.

Chris: 1:10:38

They ripped through the screen.

Chris: 1:10:40

Somebody got through through the screen. Somebody got thrown who? Somebody got thrown through the screen?

Chris: 1:10:44

Somebody got thrown whooped on and thrown through the screen. They had to turn the movie off and it's just chaos on the stage, chaos in the audience, everywhere. They tore that theater up, which.

Chris: 1:10:52

I've never seen in real life. You ever seen somebody get thrown through a?

Chris: 1:10:55

theater screen.

Bruce : 1:10:56

I ain't never seen anybody run up on a theater screen stage let alone getting thrown through one. How does that even happen?

Chris: 1:11:03

It's the 60s, bro.

Chris: 1:11:07

It's the 60s bro, it's the 60s. All I remember is he got thrown through the screen and it showed some random young kid going ha, ha, ha ha.

Bruce : 1:11:13

I'm like who kid is this in the movie?

Chris: 1:11:15

where they just put him in there laughing hella loud.

Chris: 1:11:18

A close-up on his face laughing I know here's your little five minutes to shine. He got his five minutes to shine.

Chris: 1:11:23

He must have been the director's son or something like that, might have been.

Chris: 1:11:25

He got some shine.

Chris: 1:11:26

So Preach and Brenda begin a real relationship and become boyfriend and girlfriend. They have this incredible montage of them walking through the city Because nobody got a car, so they're literally walking everywhere and they're by the train station and in the streets. So they're literally walking everywhere and they by the train station and in the streets and you can kind of tell that they're like boyfriend and girlfriend, like falling in love, teenage love type of thing.

Chris: 1:11:51

And he's still with Sandra, by the way, he's still with Sandra. They're not totally broke up.

Chris: 1:11:54

Sandra still preaches original girlfriend, original girlfriend but preach. Or were they broken off by then? I would assume they were. I always assume they was. I'm like he spent so much time with brenda. Yeah, you couldn't have another there never was that conversation.

Chris: 1:12:08

Like it was never a conversation. There was never a conversation. And, like I said, it's the. It's a 70s, it's a 70s movie, but based in this what was going on in the 60s? Right, I would never hate on it for that, but that was one piece that they forgot to detail out, like why didn't we see a conversation between sandra and preach about this is over. Go ahead and be with your yellow girl. This is over, right? All we know is he just moved on to another chick while he was still why he was. So it's like, was they together or wasn't they? Because that's pivotal, because of how it ended with the whole coach he's things like it

Chris: 1:12:45

mattered whether sandra was still his girl, but they never explained it. So that's kind of where the writing kind of slipped a little bit, because it would only took like a minute and a half for them to have a conversation, right, well, if you're gonna be with this high yellow bitch, then go ahead and be with her, we're done right. Then you'd be like all right, cool, right. But the way they made it seem was like they were still together because of how him and cochise ended up beefing. Well it was kind of weird.

Chris: 1:13:12

Yeah, we'll get to that part. We're gonna get to it.

Chris: 1:13:15

Yeah, I got some ideas on that okay so so we go from there, we go from the montage that they're brenda and preaches is literally in love and hanging out and stuff, and everybody kind of knows they're together. So they finally have sex and uh, brenda pretty much tells him like I'm a virgin, like I won't be doing this dude, like this is my first time, yeah and uh, I don't know if preach in your opinion, do you think preach thought knew that she was a virgin?

Chris: 1:13:43

no, yeah, I thought I could tell, I could tell by the expression on his face that it kind of lifted a weight off of him because she, he thought that somebody that beautiful I know she's probably been with a few guys already and and it's I'm the virgin yeah, and it's a kind of how, what, what people are going through now.

Chris: 1:14:03

You see these ig models and they're getting judged on their beauty, right, and most men would assume that she fucking everybody. She's an ig model with a million followers. She got all these people in her dm. She got to be fucking everybody, and most of them ain't no, you only got one. You, you don't have the time to do it. You flying to dubai and doing all these photo shoots and you might be doing cameos and movies and stuff.

Chris: 1:14:26

Where do you find the time to fuck all these dudes? It's impossible, yeah. So it's like if we kind of going through the same thing now with the ig model, they get a bad rap. Yes, you might have some that are, you know, giving up a lot to a lot of dudes, but I would say most of them probably ain't. Most was probably just hustling and giving you the appearance of a girl that's out there doing that, but they probably really ain't doing all that, though. Right, like, once again, how would you have the time? Right, like, that takes a lot of time to be flying all over the place having sex with all these men while building this great instagram career? Yeah, in film and television, like you got to have time to do all this shit, yeah, so people got to kind of got a. It was weird, though, but seeing that like but I have the same feeling you got. I feel like he probably thought she was experienced.

Chris: 1:15:16

Probably not, definitely not a hoe, but he thought he definitely thought she had some experience because she came off as very mature. Yeah, so most of us would think that a mature, beautiful woman would have had a sexual experience at 17 years old.

Bruce : 1:15:30

Yeah, but a lot of them don't especially back then.

Chris: 1:15:32

Yeah, back then it was. You put that chastity belt on. Yeah, you wasn't giving up nothing. No, without a ring you had to marry somebody's daughter to to it and her father would tell you that you can do whatever you want to do with my daughter. You put a ring on her finger.

Chris: 1:15:50

You ain't about to just be hitting it, hitting it and then I don't see you next week. Yeah, nah, we're not doing that in this house.

Chris: 1:15:57

Nah, so after sex Preacher, this is the one time when I can say Preacher was a dumbass. He mentions the bet between him and cold cheese to her. Why would you do?

Chris: 1:16:10

that preach he was. He was so mind blown by the experience was the sex that good?

Chris: 1:16:15

you just forgot it was to shut the fuck up about it was it what?

Chris: 1:16:21

here's the funny part I, we weren't even as an audience, we weren't even thinking about the bet I forgot about. I totally forgot about the bet till he said something. And when he said it, you should have saw my look on my face. I was like it was like why why would you, smart as you are, what made you think about the bet, after which you just you got the girl, you got the bet don't even matter.

Chris: 1:16:52

She really likes you and she likes you to give you what she gave you. And you just blew it all by worrying about a dollar bet, not a hundred dollars, which would have been a lot of money in the 70s, but a one dollar one dollar bill bruh you damn, you ruin your relationship literally took it as, like that's what I'm worth.

Chris: 1:17:13

I'm worth a dollar yeah, that's what she took it as like oh, that's what, that's what we doing. That I think. I think if he just said they bet just a friendly bet with no money involved, it would have came off better than I think you worth a dollar. If he would have said something like well, coach, he just said I couldn't do it, then I don't think she would have took it the same way as we bet a dollar that I couldn't hit. I don't think women work that way?

Chris: 1:17:44

yeah, they probably don't, if there's any inclination that you there's my homie was talking about it and you're getting back to the homie.

Chris: 1:17:52

Yo, I hit it dollar or not, but that's not a good look, because the thing is is that she was invested. She was invested in preach and she saw him as not being that way and that's what made her attracted to him. But to find out she's he's really just one of those guys and the whole poetry thing or whatever like that, it's just a, a footnote of him and who he really is. That was a letdown, that was a disappointment. Yeah, so it wouldn't matter, mattered.

Chris: 1:18:23

He definitely disappointed her when she found out he made the bet.

Chris: 1:18:28

I'm really shocked that he was that overwhelmed by the sex, to even say some shit like that. It almost felt like a reach from Eric Monti to kind of push this narrative or propel this narrative to another level.

Chris: 1:18:44

It felt forced. It's like why would you even have him say that in that situation he's like fixing his glasses and everything.

Chris: 1:18:52

Then he says something like Coach Jesus is going to be bad.

Chris: 1:18:56

It's almost like something he would have never said in reality in that moment.

Bruce : 1:19:00

With that moment.

Chris: 1:19:03

And then his sisters bust in.

Chris: 1:19:05

Yeah it just went all downhill from there.

Chris: 1:19:08

I'm going to tell mama this you could not have no naked woman in here. You got naked girls up in here, so he knew he was going to be in trouble.

Chris: 1:19:15

So he lost the girl and he couldn't get her beaten. Oh yeah, Lost the girl and he couldn't get her beaten.

Chris: 1:19:23

So now the boys are at school and the detectives show up well before that.

Chris: 1:19:27

Okay, before that there's one part because I want to go back into the whole brenda thing. So they did do a scene with brenda and sandra and preaching the same scene. Remember, in the hall with the lock.

Chris: 1:19:36

They did do that, you right. So that was the next.

Chris: 1:19:37

That was the actual next scene, and um preaches has still trying to push that narrative like oh baby, I'll just be blacking out. You know, the sex was so good and I'll say anything. I can't be held liable. More preach, bullshit, basically, and more and then bullshit. I think this is where we see the uh, the uh, the situation kind of shift and then um, where it's over. They didn't have a conversation but you knew it's over. They didn't have a conversation but you knew it was over between Sandra and Preach, because Brenda saw Sandra walking down the hall and she literally says I forgive you, it closes the locker and then just lip locks Preach in front of Sandra.

Chris: 1:20:16

But Brenda's kind of done with Preach too, though she just doing that shit just to piss off their situation, right?

Chris: 1:20:23

I think it was a little bit of a get back to preach. She didn't care about sandra's whatever, but she knew that sandra was his girl right, which kind of weird when you think about it, because like it's you that's what I'm saying.

Chris: 1:20:36

Why would you sleep with priest? Why would you even do it? Why would you give up the cookies, which lets you know that brendan wasn't an angel neither no fucking angel, I'm blowing my mind right now.

Chris: 1:20:47

First time I thought about that.

Chris: 1:20:49

It's the main ingredient. Podcast. We're going to blow every movie up. We're going to expand everybody's mind. We're going to make you think about that.

Chris: 1:20:58

The only explanation I can come with that is that the women's tendency of jealousy and revenge and get back kind of like came into play. I guess Women get revenge.

Chris: 1:21:09

It's different, it's deep, they get it. Oh yeah, it's a mental thing. Yeah, she made sure, sandra saw. Yes she did. That's a whole thing up here at this point. It ain't just a rumor. In school you saw me kissing your man type of situation, and she knows that that will be embedded in sandra's mind forever, forever.

Chris: 1:21:30

Not only that, but preachers now ruin. It's not. It's like okay, not only did you lose me, but you lost your girl, and now you have this going. It's going to go around the school what you did, oh yeah for sure so ain't no girl gonna want to fool with you for sure. So that's that. That's what I saw in that scene and what that meant to Brenda and why she did what she did, and Preach knew it. That's why he was like damn, I lost both girls.

Chris: 1:21:54

It hurt him bad, but it's his own doing Like nobody. Everything Preach was doing was self-serving. He wasn't doing nothing to help nobody but himself yeah, what he wanted out of these women. So what happened to him is what normally happens to to people who do that you get burnt in the end, like you, you gonna get burnt in the end. But uh, the detectives show up at the school and they arrest Preach and Cochise because of the robbery, the car theft, and later on, rob and Stone get picked up. Now this is what I'm going to ask you. They got away. So how the fuck did they know that they robbed the? How do they even know about this stuff? You got to explain that to me, dude't cameras.

Chris: 1:22:47

I thought about it cameras did not exist.

Chris: 1:22:49

There aren't cameras, so cameras don't exist.

Chris: 1:22:51

They ran into two random people in front of the only that wouldn't have known them, the only thing I could do because they they still had papers on the car. The car still had plates, so they could track it back to what happened.

Chris: 1:23:02

You know where the car came from okay notice that they're not the original owners or whoever. It was okay so we could do that. Um, they probably got uh fingerprints on the car itself, um, and trace and trace them back to robert and stone because they weren't wearing gloves, it would only been robert and stone. It wouldn't be a preach in however, they probably what they didn't mention. They probably had witnesses that saw, see and that's get into the car, that's where I'm irritated as a filmmaker's like just tell us those details.

Chris: 1:23:36

yeah, that way that scene will make sense to me right? Because when I saw the detectives come and pick coach east and preach up, I'm like, come on, man, we saw them get away, man, yeah, yeah. So if you're going to get caught. Tell us how they got caught.

Chris: 1:23:47

Here's something else interesting. If there were witnesses on the scene, the only witnesses that we saw that knew that Cochise and Preach got in the car is Willie and Pooter. Correct, so are they snitches.

Chris: 1:24:07

So if they pot and tyrone, I can't forget about tyrone why are we forgetting about tyrone?

Chris: 1:24:12

yeah, tyrone. Tyrone was dorothy's and he was key to the party of them getting into the party too.

Chris: 1:24:18

Yeah, tyrone tyrone was the real smooth he was smoothing in coach east to me he was smooth yeah, I can't believe we talked all this time about this movie and then talk about tyrone smooth.

Chris: 1:24:28

I like tyrone actually if they would have showed somebody at martha's who was low-key hating or was just looking, looking too hard at them getting in the car with stoner rock and you can kind of tell maybe a close up on the person's face like, oh, that person about to snitch, then it would have made sense like true, that's how they would have found out, but we never found out how they knew. I feel like the fingerprint thing would have happened. Right for rob and stone, right, but not necessarily cold cheese and preach.

Chris: 1:25:00

Well the thing is is even if they had their fingerprints, they're not in the system. They don.

Chris: 1:25:03

They had their fingerprints they're not in the system, they're not even in the system?

Chris: 1:25:05

They're not in the system and we're talking about a 1960-something system, yeah, yeah. Where there ain't no computers, everything is on paper, there's no computers. It would take them three weeks to go through all the fingerprints, that's what.

Bruce : 1:25:18

I'm saying Like none of it.

Chris: 1:25:20

That's where the writing got kind of lazy.

Bruce : 1:25:22

It's like y'all just going to come pick them up at school, okay.

Chris: 1:25:26

I'm just going to go ahead and believe this. Yeah, because it really does. It doesn't really make sense.

Chris: 1:25:31

Yeah, it's like, okay, we'll ride with it.

Chris: 1:25:33

We just got to ride with it.

Chris: 1:25:36

Let's see what they do with it.

Chris: 1:25:37

Yeah, we got to ride with the theory that the detectives was that good that he just figured it out, which is funny because yeah, the cops, they just figured it out, bumbly dude. They were like and you could tell that back then. I guess they saw detectives uh, literally look one way, because the cops came in with the dick tracy hats and a long trench coat, it's like I guess this is what they thought detectives were supposed to look like back in the 60s old cops with the trench coat like straight dick tracy's, straight dick tracy's.

Chris: 1:26:07

You know, that's what they thought back then, mr mason oh, before we go into that, though, you want to talk about the police scene, the scene at the station where they're uh getting interrogated. Talk about that. Uh. I thought that was real funny, uh, because and this is something that me and my wife we were kind of talking about, because she was asking the same question she was like why didn't they get together to get their story straight, just in case? I said because they didn't think they would get caught.

Chris: 1:26:34

They never thought they would get caught.

Chris: 1:26:35

They never. So there's no reason to come together to put the story together.

Chris: 1:26:38

As soon as they got to police station, they broke them up.

Chris: 1:26:41

They broke them up, them up, they broke them up they put them all, which you're supposed to do, in different rooms to do. Okay, what's going on?

Chris: 1:26:46

yeah, okay, explain this because you will get four different stories yeah, and they did the times was wrong, times was way off matter of fact priest told four different stories on his own.

Chris: 1:27:00

He was so nervous and scared. I know all he was thinking about was the belt.

Bruce : 1:27:03

Yeah, that's all he was thinking about he didn't care about nothing else but the belt.

Chris: 1:27:08

I thought that was really interesting, how they, how they did that, um that whole scene as far as, like, interrogating them and putting them in separate rooms and stuff like that, because a lot of that plays into, uh, what happens, you know, towards the end as well too yeah, here's the thing, though, they never snitched they never snitched, nobody snitched, nobody said nothing about nothing, no, but, but that's going into

Chris: 1:27:36

I think. I just feel like they should have. Just I think it a lot of this would have been cleared up had they just told us who snitched on them. If they just said somebody at martha's that was looking out the door saw it, or sandra, or sandra would have saw them and said I'm putting these niggas in jail, I'm snitching, that would have made perfect sense. That would have been a bow tie on that. Sandra snitched on y'all because preach did this to her. She putting him in jail, yeah, like. Then to me it's like okay, a woman scorn it. All makes sense at that point. But we get to the point to where I'm like, even right now, as we're talking about this, I'm like why they just didn't detail who actually told, because they did not show us this in the film, we didn't physically see them running to anybody who could have id'd them as them yeah, I like I'm.

Chris: 1:28:33

I mean, like I said, we the fingerprint part, that's what that's real, though. That could happen, you know, but that will only go back to stone or you still have the witnesses in whiplash, yes, but he is nighttime, so how are you going?

Chris: 1:28:48

to identify time and they never even. They never even said what they could have done. But basically, like I was saying, what they could have done was when, when they crashed the car into the couple in front of them, the guy could have got out or a woman could have got him. They're like stone, rob or whiplash say all that whiplash stuff and then say stone and rob like that could have solved all of this by just having the people that they crashed into notice who they were, even if they don't know there's cold cheese in them. But they could have noticed rob and stone, because rob and Stone is the thugs of the neighborhood.

Chris: 1:29:28

Of course.

Chris: 1:29:30

But we didn't even get that.

Chris: 1:29:31

But that, like I said, going back to I could see how they could, you know, point out Rob and Stone? Yeah, I could see that they already got records, they got priors.

Chris: 1:29:42

They got records, the whole thing, the fingerprints and stuff.

Chris: 1:29:44

I just don't know the whole. How did Cochise and Preach get mixed up into that? Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me, other than the fact that there was somebody. There were eyewitnesses that saw them get into the car.

Chris: 1:29:57

Yeah, which they could have cleared up at Martha's Right. Somebody could have been looking at them at Martha's you right, somebody could have been looking at them in martha's. You could right put a close-up on that person's face and be like, oh, they the ones who snitched because they were looking real hard out the door. Martha's adam and blah, blah, blah.

Chris: 1:30:12

Yeah, I agree with you, you know I'm saying, but I would have made it sandra, because he just he broke her heart. She already bitter. It would have made more sense for sandra to be at martha's because the teenagers were there all the time and Sandra to see them and say, oh, I'm about to snitch, yeah, he don't like me no more, I'm about to snitch, yeah. So that to me that would have. That would have been easier to to kind of clear up and and put the bow tie on it, even Mr Mason, because he knew the detective, the black detective.

Chris: 1:30:42

He could have been the one to tell the boys you know who snitched on you? It's your girl, sandra. Like it could have all just been cleared up by just putting it on sandra, and they didn't, but they didn't put it on nobody. So you leave this gap that leads to the death of somebody that we don't even know why he died. You know what I'm saying? We don't know it was to the, to the writer and director. Like I said, I love the film, it was just that one little part of the like y'all could have just tied it all up.

Chris: 1:31:11

It's kind of crucial.

Chris: 1:31:12

It's a very crucial part on the, you know, considering how it ended. So preach comes home late and his mom um, his mom is has heard about the girls, yeah, through the little sisters heard about him going to jail or getting arrested and arrested and basically he says I'm a whoop, your ass, go get the belt, yeah, yeah. And. But she's so tired that when he comes back with the belt she's sleep. When he comes back with the belt, she's sleep. And it's a special moment to like. I feel like preach kind of understood, like my mama, she going through enough already. This is like almost too much to do to this woman, like she was gonna spend the last of her energy whooping my 17 year old ass over something I should have known better.

Chris: 1:32:04

I feel like he took responsibility that's when you really start to see he grew up fast in that scene. Yeah, and that one scene.

Chris: 1:32:11

That one scene, this woman got all this responsibility for these kids and she got to worry about whooping me and I'm 17 years old. I should be be more responsible I'm the man of the house, you're the man and you're acting like a child.

Chris: 1:32:24

I and I'm acting younger than this youngest sister.

Chris: 1:32:27

She's literally about to beat you with a bell like you're a little kid and one year from now you'll be an adult.

Bruce : 1:32:32

Yeah, your mama got to deal with this.

Chris: 1:32:35

Yeah, he did grow up, though, and that one scene he grew up, that one scene.

Chris: 1:32:39

He grew up quick he grew up and you can see it. I spent a little bit of time actually looking at that scene, rewound it and watched it and stuff, because it was the first time I actually seen preach like take life really seriously and it matched those moments, really matched his potential as far as like who he was yet to become and he needed that and it was good to see that he had reached that in the film, especially at that point, because that's a lot Can you imagine. You came home. He snuck in the house first of all. He snuck in the house, snuck in the house.

Chris: 1:33:16

His mama hadn't come home yet. Hadn't come home yet. That's how much work she'd been doing, yeah.

Chris: 1:33:21

She still was coming home from work yeah, and um it, um, and the fact that he, the way he had his pajamas on and everything else was oh, it was wrong, it was buttoned wrong and everything and everything, because he was just just rushing to just, yeah, get to the you know position where I'm in bed and you know sleep, or whatever like that you know, to avoid trouble. Um, but that was a, uh, it was a. It was a poignant moment for me in the movie. Yeah, was that part it was.

Chris: 1:33:49

It was a good movie it was, it was a good part of the movie. Yeah, it was. And like I was saying off camera till he was, like it was like I had those experiences with my father to where I'd get in trouble. My mother would say, wait till your father get home from work, right, he'd be so tired.

Bruce : 1:34:04

He just couldn't whoop my ass he just left me alone like baby.

Chris: 1:34:07

I ain't got time, I'm tired. Yeah, he had been up since four in the morning, he coming home six in the evening. You know that time to whoop.

Chris: 1:34:15

No, goddamn kid no, not over something yeah, or something small.

Chris: 1:34:19

You didn't dump the garbage or something stupid like I'm out here trying to save the world and slay dragons for this family. You want me to come home and whoop my son for something as small as not dumping a garbage can after having a 12-hour workday? Yeah, so he let me slide. So I kind of understood, like how his mom came home and she wanted to discipline him. She just didn't have it in her. Yeah, discipline them. She just didn't have it in her.

Chris: 1:34:44

Yeah, she just didn't have nothing left in her and it and it woke his. It woke him up consciously to know that I gotta be gotta do better. I gotta be a help mate to my mama.

Chris: 1:34:55

I gotta do better because she's doing all this for me and I'm not making it any easier that woman said three jobs yeah and it's on choices. It's the choices that he's making, that he doesn't have to make, that he's smart enough not to make that's putting her in this position, and it's not her fault. Yeah, it's not her fault. He's the one that's bringing calamity upon the family just by his own actions she's doing the best she can do as a mom the best.

Chris: 1:35:17

What else you want?

Chris: 1:35:18

three jobs I felt for her in that movie for real.

Chris: 1:35:24

So when they get to school and they're in gym class, they get basically teased and I guess it's going around the school that they snitched because Stone and Rob got picked up for the grand theft Well before we do that, though.

Chris: 1:35:42

Oh yeah, you're right.

Chris: 1:35:43

Because they went to school after that.

Chris: 1:35:44

Well, you didn't talk about the scene well, we didn't talk about the scene before. Uh, that happened where, uh, mr mason has the conversation with the detective, and mr mason correct?

Chris: 1:35:57

mr mason is the reason why the boys yeah garrett morris's character. They. He is the sole reason why the boys got let loose. Yeah, because he was friends with the detective.

Chris: 1:36:07

He was friends with the detective and as we all know, we all know law enforcement. Some of them is our families. We got plugged. So he just used his plug Like they good kids, one of them getting ready to go to Grambling on the scholarship I know the other one is a great writer and basically a good kid. Cut him. Great writer and basically a good kid. Cut him some slack, because mr mason pretty much knew they would just ride with with stone and rob these dudes, ain't?

Bruce : 1:36:30

car thieves? No, they were just riding with stone.

Chris: 1:36:32

They had no priors yeah, they had no priors. They was, they was going to school, kids, yeah like let them go. Stone and robert were too, but yeah but even even mason was like be lenient on stone and rob too.

Chris: 1:36:44

Yeah, he was even trying to get them some time off well, I thought that was interesting because, um, it go to show that, uh, rob and stone were well known in the school. That's what I'm saying. I know we mentioned that before, but, um, they were a very important part of coulee high. They were, uh, they were, even though they were dropout. I got it. I guess they were dropout students, but I would.

Chris: 1:37:08

I would have still had love for them. Yeah, you know you can tell mr mason, one of those black power like he gonna do whatever he can.

Chris: 1:37:16

Mr mason, I was watching him um in the thing and um in the movie and just how he was dealing with the students and stuff like that, and it's like I know, if I were a teacher today, I would long for those days, dude, where it's like, okay, these are my students, they're not my children, but they're my students and there's a level of respect that they must show for my position, for sure, and I can do whatever I need to do to enforce yeah because there was one point time he was like sit down and shut up mr mason was not playing but he was also respected.

Chris: 1:37:52

It wasn't nobody gonna come up to him, oh no, and slap him or, you know, disrespect him as the teacher, because they knew yeah even that talk he had with damon.

Chris: 1:38:01

When damon had the black eye, he was like don't play tough with me, I'll bounce you off these lockers straight told him that I look he was like whoa bounce you off these glasses off before you

Chris: 1:38:11

come to my class and then he took them off. He was like put them back that's black male teachers. Back then they was not fucking around with you like they was not playing no back then, but when he told him, I you like. They was not playing no back then, but when he told him I'll bounce you off these live.

Chris: 1:38:27

I'm like that's exactly how teachers exactly yeah, they used to talk to you, just like that in uh elmhurst when I went to brush your head on these damn lockers whoever's a student at elmhurst was a student at elmhurst back in the 80s

Chris: 1:38:39

between 82, 84 or whatever, like that was watching this. You guys probably remember mr smith. Mr smith was a shop teacher, uh, at elmhurst back in the early 80s and he was the type of dude, uh, he taught woodshop. I took his woodshop class. He taught other stuff but I took his woodshop class and he was the type of teacher that you can't be late to his class. If he was late to his class, he had a yardstick and the yardstick was like a one by. It was heavy, yeah, and he'll smack you with it. Stand you up in front of the class and every minute, many minutes, you were late. That's how he, how many times he smacked you on the ass. And, needless to say, and I went to school and there was some dudes, it's like you know, you wouldn't think that they would just turn around and take a woman from a teacher like that From anybody.

Chris: 1:39:31

But Mr Smith, at the same time, was really respected, really respected, right, right, you know.

Chris: 1:39:38

To where even your parents probably wasn't going to come up to you and say nothing to Mr Smith.

Chris: 1:39:41

No, no, they'll believe Mr Smith over you every time. So, and I've seen some of the toughest dudes, some of the toughest dudes you know come into class. They come late. You know what it is. Stand up, let's get this over with Just for a matter of minutes and embarrass them, yeah.

Chris: 1:39:59

It's just, don't take it personal, nope. You already know the rules of my class don't be late to my class you already know so I hope this is, if you're alive and you're seeing this man, thank you.

Chris: 1:40:10

Thank you for being the teacher that you were, yeah for sure yeah, I respect you, those, those teachers, like that help kids build character.

Chris: 1:40:17

Yeah, you learn how to be on time, respect people, time respect adults. Yeah, learn how to do all that, unlike teachers of now who can't enforce anything because of the laws they can't enforce nothing.

Chris: 1:40:30

The powers of for them to actually teach and develop have been taken away from them, or um buffed so to speak.

Chris: 1:40:38

Bro, you can't even raise your voice at a child. We're not even talking about cursing at them. Just raising your voice could get you in trouble as a teacher. How are you supposed to teach kids them? Just raising your voice could get you in trouble as a teacher. How are you supposed to teach kids you?

Chris: 1:40:47

can't raise your voice. None of my teachers would make it. Today we got a high school teacher.

Chris: 1:40:52

I wouldn't make it today If I was a teacher.

Chris: 1:40:55

Everybody knew this specific teacher. You don't mess with her because she rolled with a pistol. She was an older lady, older black lady, and we loved her, loved her. She sold snickers in class. We could eat a snick this only candy we were allowed to eat in class while she was the snickers, that she sold, that she sold, that's player right there, man, she was awesome.

Chris: 1:41:18

She was awesome and um, but that people knew. You know she's short, you know a little thing or whatever, like that older black woman with the glasses, but you wasn't going to try to mess her. No, not in her class. Oh, shut up, I do what I want to do.

Chris: 1:41:37

Yeah, shout out to those teachers, shout out to those teachers that took care of business back in the day. This is also where, this important moment, you had a special guest of the kids who were teasing them robert townsend a young robert that was so dope made a cameo, so dope his very first, only screen appearance, robert townsend and I read a lot of articles and he was saying that this movie is what made him want to be a director.

Chris: 1:42:05

This is the movie that made him know that he could do it even way back then, because he was a part of something bigger than himself and then, 10 years later, he does, 12 years later, he does 12 years yeah, yeah, but this movie inspired him to become who he essentially became as a, you know, world renowned film director not even, on some, a black film director, just a film director.

Chris: 1:42:27

He's just a great film director, because a lot as film directors we hate that, that whole thing of he's a good black film, right. Right, he's just a filmmaker, right, we don't differentiate no black from white, from hispanic from asian. We just make films.

Chris: 1:42:42

You're a filmmaker that happens to be black. We hate to be called black filmmakers, exactly.

Chris: 1:42:45

Just a filmmaker, man Like damn.

Chris: 1:42:47

Exactly. He's definitely a person that we don't talk enough about, though. We don't as far as Hollywood and his influence in film and movies.

Chris: 1:43:00

He put a lot of people on man.

Chris: 1:43:02

One of my favorite movies, man, one of my favorite movies of all time. I know you're going to have it on your show. I hope I get to do it with you. It's the Five Heartbeats. Oh my God, definitely doing the Five Heartbeats.

Chris: 1:43:17

I told you Definitely doing the Five Heartbeats. Yeah, we'll save that for another show. Yeah, that might have to be a two-part series. That's a long that's yeah, that's a two-parter, right there a lot of life lessons, though.

Chris: 1:43:29

A lot of life lessons, oh my god.

Chris: 1:43:32

But now going back to robert townsend while I was doing the research robert townsend, john singleton, um spike lee, all reference back to cooley. This movie is being the movie that let them know they could do.

Chris: 1:43:47

They could do it that they and you could tell, because there's elements in this movie that you'll see in the other filmmakers, movies that you'll be like oh, I get it.

Chris: 1:43:56

This is where you can see it from oh, this is where they got it from.

Chris: 1:44:00

You know, john singleton, especially, especially john singleton, yeah, especially john singleton.

Chris: 1:44:04

Uh rest in peace of john singleton. Yeah, but john singleton, yeah, especially john singleton. Uh rest in peace of john singleton. Yeah, but uh, yeah, it was. It was when I researched. It was very um, very inspiring to me to know that those great black filmmakers got inspired by this one. Even back then that was low budget, low budget movie that became a sensational success then and even now it's like a cult classic. Oh, it's a classic. It's a classic like even now people still reference it it's the first on so many different levels.

Chris: 1:44:35

You know, because you got to think back then how many other name, how many other uh films, uh, that really like captured the feel and the culture of teens in America? The only other movie I could think of from the 70s that probably did that was Ron Howard's American Graffiti, yeah, which was white teens.

Chris: 1:44:57

But black, you're right, black was coolly high.

Chris: 1:45:00

I can't think of another movie. To be honest with you. Everything else was just adults when it came to black film and it was, you know, about the streets and stuff, stuff like Black Caesar and Pam. Greer stuff you know, with Poxy Brown and stuff like that. But no, this was. But I feel like it was something that transcended black cinema and that everyone could appreciate it, even though it was an all black cast.

Chris: 1:45:24

Right, right, no, I agree, I agree that everyone could appreciate it, even though it was an all-black cast. Right, right, no, I agree, I agree. So we get to a part where mr mason tells preach that he's the one that got them out well before that part.

Chris: 1:45:39

So they're in the bathroom, right, right, remember that. Um the bad and mr mason being mr mason, cleared him out. Yeah, because they was gambling, cutting class, smoking. Oh, here comes the mason and he's like if y'all don't get y'all, and this is the class he was on him.

Chris: 1:46:00

That's a real teacher preach came out the stall and, uh, preach was. And you got to think at this point. So at the beginning of the movie there was a group, all their friends. It ain't like that, no more. Right, it's just Cochise and Preach. Now that's it. And everybody's turned on them just about Because they snitched Supposedly. They snitched Supposedly. Turned on them just about because they, because they snitched supposedly, supposedly. And it's crazy, because snitching today ain't is nothing compared to what it was back then it's common now?

Chris: 1:46:35

yeah, all the time but um so when he came out of the bathroom, mr mason for the first time has a real conversation with preach and it's like man, I don't understand you. You're smart, you have so much going for you, why are you throwing your life away? What is it that you want in life? And remember, preach is fresh off of what he was dealing with with his mom and he literally took his glasses off and and he just said I want to live forever what do you say to that?

Chris: 1:47:09

when he said that, I was like if I was, uh, mr mason, I'd have been like I don't know what the fuck that actually means. What are you? What are you trying to say In vampire years In artwork, what do you mean? I felt like on the writing aspect of the screenplay aspect of it, it was like they didn't know. They didn't even know how to answer that, so they gave the most simplest answer you could. That would confuse everybody, because I want to live forever.

Bruce : 1:47:43

What is?

Chris: 1:47:44

that. Because it didn't it didn't make no sense because he could have clearly just said I want to be this big Hollywood writer. He could have just explained it right. He said I want to live forever what the fuck does that?

Chris: 1:47:56

mean, but maybe, maybe, chris, he would have said that if that scene would have took place before the whole thing getting home to his mom, and because you got to remember preachers in a whole different, he's in a whole different mind space right now he's lost all his friends he's going through it with. He lost all his girls. He lost. He don't have no girlfriends. It's just basically, basically him and Cochise in this false rumor. But he still has these dreams of escaping it all and being something or somebody Like that part never went away.

Chris: 1:48:34

Yeah, he definitely wanted to be somebody. He wanted to be somebody.

Chris: 1:48:37

Yeah, even through all those changes.

Chris: 1:48:39

But live forever. It's kind of a weird answer for a 1960s black teenager in the hood to say I want to live because we don't really know what that means. What does that actually mean? Do you mean literally? Do you mean well, how do you like? Even if one of my kids right now said that I would be like what the fuck are you talking about?

Chris: 1:49:01

literally, tell me what do you mean well, obviously him saying that worked because he really didn't want to have any conversation with mr mason he didn't want to have no good and maybe that's why he said it.

Chris: 1:49:12

Maybe that's why he said it because it totally stumped him.

Chris: 1:49:15

He didn't expect it either. And then when he says I don't know why I waste my time with you guys and get you know and talking to the cops and getting you guys out of jail, and then preach was like switch and he came back and he's light bulb switch it was you, it was you, oh my god, it was you and then he runs to go find cold cheese.

Chris: 1:49:38

yeah, so he runs to find cold cheese, to tell cold cheese. Okay, this is what happened. He runs into Jimmy Lee who's hustling and doing some bullshit he got a hoe. He got a hoe. Jimmy Lee finally got a hoe. Jimmy Lee and his hoes he finally got a hoe.

Chris: 1:49:58

Oh yeah, he up there with my girls right now.

Chris: 1:50:01

Yeah, yeah yeah, which means Jimmy Lee had a spot. He said he had one of my spots, like damn Jimmy Lee like you got no holes, but you got spots, though.

Chris: 1:50:11

How you going to have spots, but you ain't got holes. Me and Jimmy Lee going to have to talk. Yeah, Jimmy.

Chris: 1:50:18

Lee should have been the spinoff to Cooley High. Matter of fact, producers, let's do a 2024 spin off to Cooley. High called the Day Jimmy Lee Took Over, because we just don't know enough about Jimmy Lee, the man in many hats, yeah, and suits, hustling white dudes out of money. He got pimps. He got your best friend sleeping with your girlfriend.

Bruce : 1:50:44

He got a lot of shit going on. He got your best friend sleeping with your girl.

Chris: 1:50:46

Oh my god, he got a lot of shit going on, yeah man he got your aunt. He got your mama spending her the last of y'all money to bail him out of jail right everything, everything you aspire to be, if you ever want to be the quintessential pimp, yeah, so jimmy lee rolls with preach, takes preach to the to the spot right.

Chris: 1:51:05

They walk in to tell the big news to coach and coach and the girl looks like they're finished having sex. Look like they finished. Coach, he's already smacked them cheeks. Yeah, he already got in. The business was done because the way jim lee said is like he was already over there hitting them, so they was definitely done. And putting on their clothes uh, it hurt, honestly it hurt preach. It looked like he wanted to cry. Look like he wanted to cry, but like an angry cry, like he couldn't believe what he saw. Now that brings us back to was sandra even his girlfriend to begin with?

Chris: 1:51:44

Sandra was his girlfriend.

Chris: 1:51:50

The breakup was supposed to be when he kissed Brenda.

Chris: 1:51:53

But it was never an official breakup. No, it was a silent breakup.

Chris: 1:51:54

That's the problem.

Chris: 1:51:56

It was a silent breakup. And how Cochise found out about that I don't know, because he wasn't there for when they kissed.

Chris: 1:52:01

There's so many things that he just didn't explain.

Chris: 1:52:04

Other than the only thing I could think of is that it went around school, because that's the one thing that you could be sure of. Whatever happened, the whole school knew. That's a fact. With Cochise, I think this is the one time I think Cochise really messed up.

Chris: 1:52:23

I don't mind all the antics and everything that he was doing and blah, blah blah throughout the whole movie and everything like that. But I really think he really messed up and he knew after he, especially after he saw his friend, he's like, damn, I really messed up, yeah, I shouldn't have did. Now he's got a regret I shouldn't have did this yeah, but uh but coach he's didn't see.

Chris: 1:52:47

My thing is he never showed that type of character of somebody who would do that to his best friend, but they never played that out where you would think he would even do some shit like that so there's some, there's some real dynamics behind all of this number one you got to remember.

Chris: 1:53:00

That's why we're going back to the scene in the stoop where we had missed, and then we went back and covered it. The whole movie sandra.

Chris: 1:53:07

Sandra is not giving preach nothing she ain't getting no play, and that's his girl, but why is that, though? Is it because she didn't like him like that, or did she secretly like coach east? See, I feel like it's so many layers to that. One relationship is like what. If we found out later she really was always in love with coach east and that's why he never got the draws, then it would make sense, but everything is happening to lead up to coach he's sleeping, where it makes no sense because he didn't have a character. He didn't have a character built up to be the top person that would do that to his best friend, and and Sandra never showed interest in him. So where do we get them having sex at?

Chris: 1:53:51

I don't know. You see what I'm saying.

Chris: 1:53:52

I don't know. I hate this about me because it's the film director me. I need to know this information. Oh yeah, so you can connect the dots. This will bother me forever why we didn't understand that part of the game.

Chris: 1:54:06

Well, you have to do that so that you can be invested in the characters and invested in the film. You know what I mean.

Chris: 1:54:12

It didn't make no sense to me. It made sense to what Jimmy Lee said. Oh, this nigga in here tripping over a bitch.

Bruce : 1:54:21

That made sense.

Chris: 1:54:23

Like Jimmy Lee was like I know thing ain't here trooper over a bitch. Yeah, sandra played herself. She played herself she played herself.

Chris: 1:54:30

It just didn't make no sense that she would do that with his best friend and that his best friend would do that with her, because she he knew that that was at some point that was his girl he knew it. Why would you do this to this dude?

Chris: 1:54:43

I told my wife I was like. When she saw that, I was like you know what? Um, that's something I've never done. Anybody that knows me knows bruce bowers.

Chris: 1:54:51

It's like you know, chris, if we were single or whatever like that, and you was dating this girl, um, and you guys broke it off and even if she asked you, hey, I want to go out with your boy, bruce, is it cool? And you said you know what I ain't tripping off you like I want to go out with your boy, bruce, is it cool? And you said you know what I ain't tripping off you like that you can go out with him.

Chris: 1:55:09

I wouldn't do it, just wouldn't do it, why even test those waters? That's the thing. Why even test it? Even if I gave you the approval, I wouldn't do it. Why test that? I wouldn't do it. They outnumber us 11 to 1 once again.

Chris: 1:55:24

I think he's going to go back to that. Oh man.

Chris: 1:55:27

Why would you go for the one woman that could hurt my feelings? There's a thousand women out there, but it goes back to they say a man is going to cheat, whether in a professional environment or whatever is going to be proximity, so these are the women that's closest to you. Yeah, you can go out and go to the club and find some other women, but that girl that's always on you, right next to you in class, it's probably the one you're gonna smack yeah later.

Chris: 1:55:54

It's a sure, it's a sure thing, it's a sure thing, yeah, most businessmen it'd be the secretary.

Chris: 1:55:58

It's the woman that's closest to you she ain't gotta be attractive she's the closest to you true, man so I think that's kind of what happened with the cold cheese thing was like the girl that he saw all the time was sandra yeah, you know what I'm saying, especially when she was around with, uh, with preach. But even after preach he probably still saw her like as a school, like he saw her a lot and here's something else I uh didn't consider.

Chris: 1:56:22

He never broke up with johnny may. As far as I know, john Johnny May was his girl throughout the whole movie.

Chris: 1:56:27

You're right, that's what I'm saying there's a lot of stones that didn't get turned over to reveal things. They left us to kind of imagine what actually happened.

Bruce : 1:56:40

I could literally write right now the details of the script to finish this out and make it all make sense. Make sense, but maybe in a low budget 60s black movie.

Chris: 1:56:51

they only have time yeah.

Chris: 1:56:53

They only give you so much time. You know this in film, that your original script is not the script that's going to get shot. You already know that You're going to lose probably about 30 minutes of that script. It could be 30 important minutes too, yeah, yeah, and you just kind of have to pick and choose. Not only that, but you're also at the mercy of the producers, and the producers might be like you know what? No, we don't want that in there but.

Chris: 1:57:14

I got time for that should have.

Chris: 1:57:16

I need to put that in there. You need to find another way. Yeah, you know they would definitely be on something we ain't got time for that. We got time and we got the budget we on the deadline.

Chris: 1:57:24

The major studios and the theaters right we don't have distributor, we ain't got time yeah, so, but that's what I think with just about every movie, um, that's made. You know, uh, I remember uh, off subject a little bit I remember rizza when he did man with the iron fist. Um, that movie was supposed to be twice as long as it is to really explain everything about the characters and the scenes and stuff like that.

Chris: 1:57:52

That's why I kind of appreciate directors like.

Chris: 1:57:55

Quentin Tarantino.

Chris: 1:57:57

They had the director's cuts and also they're not even scared to make a four hour movie because they know their fans will watch it. Quentin, ain't Quentin don't care. How long was't care, how long was that hateful eight? That's like fucking three and a half hours. You know it's a long movie we got, or once upon a time, once upon a time in hollywood. That's like three hour movie, like these are long movies.

Chris: 1:58:17

We gotta do that with god damn chris a real director.

Chris: 1:58:22

Most directors don't care about time, especially if you establish, like Quentin, you don't care how long these damn movies we're trying to tell the story. Fuck how long it's supposed to be to tell the story properly.

Chris: 1:58:35

It has to be this amount of time and as directors, as film directors, we all crave for having that much leeway to do that type of stuff. As an independent filmmaker I don't have that leeway. But uh, major filmmakers they have that leeway. Some choose to use it, like quentin, some don't. They try to stay in that hour and a half to two hour segment. But I feel like in this movie, because of the time frame they had to shoot it and also the budget, which wasn't a lot for back then, they probably didn't have time to explain a lot of stuff. But some of that stuff needed explaining.

Chris: 1:59:11

Man, I just I can't say it enough the whole, the whole coach he's sleeping with sandra needed to be explained a little bit more backstory. I agree those two characters never came off as two people who would ever sleep with each other not Not only that, but Coach E's sleeping with after he.

Chris: 1:59:28

even with that experience you saw that experience that he had with Damon he's not that dude.

Chris: 1:59:32

He's not that dude.

Chris: 1:59:34

If he finds out that yo you really you fooling with one of my boys or whatever like that, you off limits, that's a great point.

Chris: 1:59:40

He showed that with the Damon fighting incident.

Chris: 1:59:43

Damon is nowhere near as close to Damon as he is with preach.

Chris: 1:59:47

He ain't disrespectful like that, so for him to be this blatantly disrespectful is kind of weird of his character.

Chris: 1:59:54

It was weird.

Chris: 1:59:55

It was weird. I'm just going to keep it real. I love the movie, love Coach E's character, but this one part of the movie was like that's not really him. No, he would not have done that. No, maybe the other fellas, maybe Rob, yeah, maybe Stone, of course you see what I'm saying. Yeah, they would smash Shondra. Oh, yeah, maybe Willie. Willie would too, but not Cochise Tyrone. Yeah, probably. Pooter definitely would not. No, pooter definitely would not. Yeah, no, he looked up to preach. He would not have done that. He looked up to preach, so no. So now we get to um, the kids are back at martha's yep, um, the soul food spot where everybody seems to hang out and dance. Once again, they're dancing their asses off in this soul food spot. They're doing that slow.

Chris: 2:00:45

I mean, they're dancing their asses off martha, reese and vandellas dancing in the streets martha should be charging a grip to have them coming in and eat I hope she is why she ain't. Well, I guess she couldn't serve drinks, they only tea. Nah, she's serving all soul food dinners and they're dancing and they're gambling and, first of all, martha's probably would get shut down in 2024 like that's number one. You got teenagers gambling frolicking around. That's what they would call it good choice of words.

Chris: 2:01:22

Your establishment right with no parental supervision but you and a meat cleaver which you use for all your dishes right, not to mention the fire code, because the place was packed all the time.

Chris: 2:01:42

Fire marshal, come up in there and board it up, kick everybody out and board it up. Kick everybody out and board it up.

Chris: 2:01:46

On the spot it was probably three times as many people that was supposed to have the occupancy right.

Chris: 2:01:52

They exceeded it by three, the maximum occupancy by three times.

Chris: 2:01:55

It was never designed to have a dance floor, no, or? Gambling spot and a gambling spot and an eating spot and it was not up to health and safety uh uh standards, because if you see the bathroom scene, that bathroom was horrible that was a horrible bad.

Chris: 2:02:14

I'm going to the back alley to do my business?

Chris: 2:02:15

I'm not. There's bathrooms in rockers island that are cleaner than martha's bathroom martha's bathroom.

Chris: 2:02:22

very suspect, mark, very, very suspect. Martha.

Chris: 2:02:25

Very suspect. I just would not want to. You got to do better, girl. I would not want to eat your soul food after that bathroom, man, especially if I find out you're the one who cleaned it With a cleaver With a cleaver.

Bruce : 2:02:41

Oh, my God.

Chris: 2:02:43

Martha, martha's soul food spot in the bathroom would have just turned me off. Even as a teen I'm like I'm not eating this shit. Nah, these pig ears might have came out that fancy ass toilet.

Chris: 2:02:53

I don't. I'll use the toilet as a wash basin. Rinse them off. Rinse them off, Look.

Chris: 2:03:00

I've never seen her washing no dishes in this whole movie Like what's going on here Was there even a sink behind the counter.

Chris: 2:03:05

I got to look and see. I don't think there was. Was she using the bathroom sink?

Chris: 2:03:10

It almost looked like.

Chris: 2:03:11

I'm reaching.

Chris: 2:03:12

On the inside. On the outside it looked like a establishment that could have been.

Chris: 2:03:23

So on the inside it almost looked like somebody's home that was reconstructed to look like a soul food place because it was kind of small.

Chris: 2:03:26

It was weird shaped. It was a janky place with a counter but tables but her she was cooking on a a real house stove look like it wasn't even like a commercial stove. So it was kind of weird. It was like a weird I don't know, but uh, preaches at martha's trying to talk to brenda and explaining yeah, he's trying to smooth it, all trying to smooth it out.

Chris: 2:03:50

Yeah uh, damon is there, the hater is there. Yeah, stone and rob comes in. Preach peeps that, because he hears damon say stone and rob, what's up? Y'all blah, blah, blah, blah, and they that, yeah, they bailed out or whatever.

Chris: 2:04:05

Can you imagine? The feeling?

Chris: 2:04:09

He probably felt like he was about to get killed, so he puts the-.

Chris: 2:04:14

I know with me, and the messed up part about it is is that you would think, okay, you know now how you got out right. Why wouldn't you just tell Rob and Stone then Now how you got out right? Why wouldn't you just tell Robin Stone then I know?

Chris: 2:04:27

That's what I would have done.

Chris: 2:04:29

Here's the reason why I think he didn't do that. I think he didn't do that because you got to think he's all messed up. From what he just saw, with his friend and Coach East and his ex-girl, he's trying to get back with Brenda. He's in desperate mode so he's not even really thinking about that. It's all desperate and survival and blah, blah, blah. Just you know, that's kind of where his mind is, not to mention damon hates his guts, yeah, and I think he was more. I think if it was just rob and stone that it came in, he probably maybe would have talked to him. Yeah, but damon being the instigator that he is or that he was, I think it was more of a fear of what damon the three of them being together versus just being stoned and damon wasn't.

Chris: 2:05:14

Damon put gasoline on fire. Oh my god. Situation way worse than actually was because, like you said, he probably could have finessed his way out of talking to robin stone about yeah, if it was james would have stood there and just would have hated on him. Oh yeah, no, he didn't. Y'all he the one that did like it would have just been that type of situation.

Chris: 2:05:30

I don't think he would have won that he wouldn't have got through to Rob and Stone with Damon there.

Chris: 2:05:35

He wouldn't have got through, because I think they knew his been able to talk to one-on-one. They would have understood like he ain't that type of person that would have stitched on us right with damon there. All hell would have broke loose regardless. He's just no good, huh daniel's a fucking I hate.

Bruce : 2:05:54

I hate this goddamn character man, I hate his character.

Chris: 2:05:57

Man, it is nothing. It's like whenever david come in the room. It's's not good. It's just not good, it's not. I felt worse about Damien than I did with Rob and Stone. Yeah, at least you understood, you know. Hey, this is why they're mad, because of this.

Chris: 2:06:14

Yeah, but Damien's still mad about the girl. Of course he's still pissed off about the girl. And the ass whooping and the ass whooping, let's pissed off. And the ass whooping and the ass whooping, let's deal. Let's not. Let's don't forget that he got humiliated jumping, he got whooped by one dude.

Bruce : 2:06:34

Yeah, cochise beat his ass, that's all you lost you took a l.

Chris: 2:06:36

You took it, yeah, but he, yeah, he ain't. He wasn't gonna take the l, so they, they catch him. In martha's there's an incident where they're running around trying to catch him. He goes to the bathroom where there's a young lady on the toilet. Now it was corny to me now as an adult seeing that scene, but I guess in the 60s that was a funny. It was supposed to be a hilarious scene because the girl is falling all over the toilet screaming yeah, top of her lungs.

Chris: 2:06:58

He's fighting her. He trying to. He's trying to use the bathroom in peace yeah, she's trying to use the bathroom, trying to get out. He's trying trying to use the bathroom in peace.

Chris: 2:07:04

He's trying to get out. She's hitting him with the plunger. I guess that's supposed to be funny To me. I was just like this is a scene that I could have done without the bathroom scene. We could have done. I would have had him crawl out the window in the bathroom. He couldn't, that's what I'm saying. He couldn't. But that's what I? Because I felt like that bathroom scene went along a little bit. It was too much.

Chris: 2:07:24

It went too long. It did go a little too long.

Chris: 2:07:26

Let's be real A little bit. It went on like two and a half minutes of them just yelling at each other and then eventually he talked the shit to them outside the door. I know, yeah, you ain't nothing but a bunch of suckers and blah, blah, blah, bruh, you can't even get out the bathroom. You want to shut up for real. It's like he didn't think past that moment. Yeah, it's like you can't get out of this bathroom and they're standing outside. So of course martha comes to save the day.

Chris: 2:07:52

yay, martha, meat cleaver with the meat cleaver uh, you know getting ready, you know, chop up some bodies, yep, and then chop up some pig feet with the same yeah, and serve it to their customers right, you, martha and her, her meat cleaver used to be robin stone y'all getting a special today the robin stone special saute with the pig ears.

Chris: 2:08:15

Oh my god, wow. So he gets away from them, he gets. He gets out where they go outside, because martha made him go outside. He sneaks out the side door. There's a chase through the hood of the streets and this is another standard that they put in all movies. I hate that they put this in movies. Somebody's running away and somebody jumps in a garbage can and they always get away with it. Why wouldn't anybody ever check the garbage can nowadays? If I'm chasing anybody in the alley, there's a garbage can. I'm looking there first. If I don't see them in a long distance running and I know that I would have had to see them running in this far distance check the garbage can right there. Why would you run past the garbage can? This happens. I'm not shitting on cooley hot, because this happens in every movie, in every movie where somebody's being chased in the alley, I think they jump in a garbage can and get away that's a hollywood rule is that a hollywood rule?

Chris: 2:09:13

just like uh one garbage can, if there's a psycho killer running around in a house or whatever, like that. You're gonna go to the room where the psycho killer is just to see if there is a psycho and then back in the day it was like the white girl had to fall.

Bruce : 2:09:27

Yeah, yeah, she's running away, yeah she's running away from the psycho killer and she's not getting away especially if you're in the beginning of the movie.

Chris: 2:09:34

It's like when you and they start off with the scene of the white girl and she got a towel around her and you're watching a thriller. She's dead, she ain't gonna make it, she's. She's got let's time. How long, how much time she got left to live?

Chris: 2:09:45

yeah, because she's dying she's dying a horrible death, so he, so he gets away. Uh, he meets back up with brenda to try to find out where coach cheese is at. Coach cheese is now being his getting his ass kicked.

Chris: 2:10:03

Well, not, not just yet, um what happened.

Bruce : 2:10:06

He's not getting his ass, not yet, oh he told brenda when.

Chris: 2:10:10

So remember when robin stone came in and he told brenda meet me at the, the station or whatever like that, in 20 minutes, 15, 20 minutes. So he timed it. And then he finally caught up to brenda and was like he escaped. Baby, it's just you and me, because she forgave him back at Martha's and so he's got her trust back. It's just going to be him and her now. Everything is cool. I've ducked away from my antagonist. I'm good, it's just you and me. Baby, no more Sandra in the picture, it's just me and you. I'm on cloud nine, baby, I'm in love, as he says. And then she goes. Well, you know, coach East was looking for you. And then it all comes back to him. Oh, I got to, and he's like he was no at first, he was like late.

Bruce : 2:10:55

Oh, he was Ha later for him and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah.

Chris: 2:10:59

Let's not forget that.

Chris: 2:11:00

And then, yeah, and then when?

Chris: 2:11:02

she told him he brushed it off at first.

Chris: 2:11:04

Yeah, but when she told him he was looking for him and he went to Martha's and he already knew what was up at Martha's and it was Robin Stone. So now it's not even about what Cochise did. It's now about this is my partner or my friend who could possibly lose his life?

Chris: 2:11:22

They went back to being friends again.

Chris: 2:11:24

Yeah, they went back to being friends again Over something. Yeah, yeah, they went back to being friends, but not, unfortunately, they didn't get a chance to like, talk it out, make up or anything like that.

Chris: 2:11:32

That's what was so dope about it. It's like they never had a chance to have that final conversation that I love you, my brother.

Chris: 2:11:38

He's running around with this secret that could like put everything back to what it was.

Chris: 2:11:44

That's the one thing I can say. They did great in the screenwriting. It's like that conversation never happened. It truly became a tragedy because that one thing never got done. So that was a great way to end it in on a sad note, which is the. You know, the reality of the situation is, um, this thing happens a lot. Back then, he, he, he got beat to death, but now you would get shot to death, and a lot of times this stuff can get stopped by just a conversation, and these conversations are not being had. That's why a lot of people are dying now. But it's snitching stuff and stuff like that, like it's like conversations need to have get had done People.

Chris: 2:12:28

It's like conversations need to have get had done. People don't have the whole story and then, yeah, they don't have the whole story and they don't have the emotional intelligence to counter anything else other than what their initial reaction or good feeling is yeah, um, they're going.

Chris: 2:12:34

They're going truly off the emotion, off of them oh, you snitched on me, you gotta die, it's like, and it's like won't you find out who actually snitched on you, number one, and find out why who actually snitched on you did snitch on you, like there's a answer to all this stuff, yeah get it right.

Chris: 2:12:51

Get it right, and it don't all come down to bullets no in death.

Chris: 2:12:55

Like you can fix a lot of this stuff. I know, um, we don't never get to see coach cheese run into damon and him. I mean to uh no what rob and stone. We just see we start, we see him getting beaten by him.

Chris: 2:13:09

Well, the reason why, after that whole scene happened and preach left, coach, he's coach, he's really needed to talk to preach, correct? Remember? He bumped into brenda right at the station that brenda was waiting for preach. He says, oh, I'm here waiting for preach. He's I think he's still back at Martha's. So that's how she knew he was going to Martha's. Preach shook all that and met up with her and she was like yo, what's up with you and Cheese? I saw Cheese going back to Martha's and then, like I said, all that kicked in. He was like oh, no, no, no, baby, no, no, right, baby, I gotta go, I gotta get off at the next stop. I'm gonna catch up to you later. What's sad is that's the last conversation they have after they made up. That's it. Never see her again. And by the time he got to where Cochise was supposed to be and Cochise wasn't there, everything had already happened.

Chris: 2:14:05

And Cochise. He just he was getting whooped. Now, getting to the whooping, they was actually. It was a friendly ass kicking. They wasn't trying to kill him. Robbin Stone, I feel like Robbin Stone was mad, but not killing man. No, they weren't trying to kill him.

Chris: 2:14:23

That's what I'm saying. That's what this whole thing, why Damon's character is probably the worst character that they could have put in this movie. Because a lot of shit wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Damon Damon.

Chris: 2:14:35

Damon jumped off a lot of stuff he did yeah.

Chris: 2:14:40

He was just like a, just an evil kid. I didn't like, yeah, nigga you don't like nothing. Nothing, nothing and nobody. All you cared about was everybody's demise, you know, just yeah. But you're right, it was the blow from Damon that actually killed.

Bruce : 2:14:55

Coach His head hit the steel.

Chris: 2:14:59

Hit the steel rail. Uh, that's the steel structure, um of the, um of the the train, yeah, and then he kicks him wake up wake up, wake up and it was like I told you before it was.

Chris: 2:15:11

It was eerie to me because it reminded me of the nipsey murder, to where dude nipsey, after he shot nipsey. So it was like damn, that's art, imitating life, it is. You didn't mean to do it, so you're trying to kick him. Like get up, bro. Yeah, get up. And dude did the same shit to nipsey. So when I saw this, that's the first thing that flashed my mind, like damn it was. Just saw this shit in real life, because it tells you that they didn't mean to kill him. They wanted to hurt him. They want to hurt him but not to kill him, because otherwise you wouldn't be kicking him no, trying to wake him up.

Chris: 2:15:42

Come on man. Yeah, come on man. Took your ass whooping, get it.

Chris: 2:15:45

You took your ass whooping. I popped you a couple of times to get your ass up bulletproof yeah, get up, but that kick is like oh shit. When they don't move, it startles them like oh shit, oh I went too far and they ran.

Chris: 2:15:57

Here's something interesting, uh, about that scene too. So when robin stone, norman and uh, rick stone, when they were uh, they were literally told by the director, by, uh, mike schultz, okay, in this scene you're gonna beat up coach east. So when he was like action, they was really beating him up.

Chris: 2:16:20

No, yeah, he really got his ass whooped yeah, they was really beating him up and lawrence was like yo hold on, man, y'all hitting me for real. And then I mean they changed it or whatever, switched it up. But yeah, initially when they started shooting that scene, they was really. They wasn't actors. They weren't actors, they was stuff, they was real. Oh, you just want us to and you're gonna pay us for it, let's go you know, and they was there and I mean they had a. It wasn't like they was trying to kill him.

Chris: 2:16:53

Yeah, that's, that's the whole point. They wasn't trying to kill him but, they was going like oh, he'll heal, yeah, they're gonna touch him up. Yeah, it was more of a that. That ass woman is gonna give coach he's in the movies more of a learning lesson don't snitch on us. It was not meant to kill the man, it wasn't because clearly they are out of jail.

Chris: 2:17:10

It's not like they're in jail for life over something, over a you know it wasn't that big of a deal to kill the man over um, and they had got out, and they got out and it wasn't, it wasn't like, it wasn't like.

Chris: 2:17:24

They served time and got out, they got out a day later yeah, like I don't know, maybe they got out on um parole or something like that something but they definitely got out, but they got out, yeah, so even with their records they got out, so it doesn't you know so do you think, damon uh did that on purpose though? Killed him. You think he wanted to kill him. No, I don't think he wanted to kill him. I think he probably wanted to main him. I think if he, if he'd had a steel pipe, he would have put it through his shoulder. He definitely wanted to hurt him worse than Rob and Stone.

Bruce : 2:18:00

Yeah.

Chris: 2:18:01

Yeah, he wanted to hurt him way worse than Rob and Stone, right, but I really don't think he wanted to kill him either. It just wasn't that type of offense. Even you messing with my girl, I want to kill you for that. Like I just want to beat your ass, so you just know to leave her alone. Like I just want to beat your ass so you just know to leave her alone.

Chris: 2:18:17

But, chris, you keep saying mess with his girl. He messed with his girl and he beat his ass.

Bruce : 2:18:22

You got to put that, got to put it, that's pretty.

Chris: 2:18:25

That's like a double slap, that's like a. That's not a, that's a. You know what I'm saying, so that that hits a little harder, damon, damon.

Chris: 2:18:41

I do feel, though, that damon didn't want to kill him, but I I feel like, uh, that's why they showed the kick part, like get up, man, get up. Like like we were just, we were just fucking around with you, bro like get up, so it shows you. But it also showed that they knew they fucked up, because they all started running. Oh yeah, oh yeah, we going to jail, yeah, we we out on bail right now.

Chris: 2:18:56

So, like I was saying, damon's objective was to hurt Cochise, correct and hurt Preach. If Preach would have been there, Preach would have got his ass whooped too. Yeah, the hatred was more towards Cochise, of course, but Preach would have got his ass whooped too. Let's not understand that. That would have been a double ass whooping had Preach would have got his ass whooped too. Let's just not not understand that that would have been a double ass whooping had preached would have been there. Yeah, but I don't think they wanted to kill him.

Chris: 2:19:25

So in the end it came out, I feel, like damon's character. I wish they would have examined and explained a little bit more why he was so angry about not only him getting his ass kicked and loot and his girl his girl danced with colchese, but like if they would explore a little bit more of his home life, even if it was small, because he seemed the anger was a little bit, it was more. It felt like it was more to that anger than just the girl dancing and him punching him feels like he really hated colchie yeah, I feel that way too.

Chris: 2:20:03

There's a lot, I feel, that probably happened between those two characters before.

Chris: 2:20:07

Yeah, that's how I feel like they might have had a fight before or something. Might something happened between those two years before, maybe in middle school, yeah, in elementary. You see what?

Chris: 2:20:17

I'm saying like yeah, in elementary he probably never got over you see what I'm saying like he never got over. He never got over that he probably had his girl taken and he probably had his girl I wish they could have kind of explored that like.

Chris: 2:20:28

It would have said something like yeah, remember in seventh grade he knocked him out back in seventh grade. Then it's like oh, that's why he hates that dude.

Chris: 2:20:36

Oh, he's shining my other eye.

Chris: 2:20:37

Yeah, Somebody would have made a joke like oh, now you got this eye, then it would have been like oh, that's why he hates him so much.

Chris: 2:20:50

Every few years he gets his ass kicked by the same person Over the same reason. Yeah, same reason. A girl, a girl Like that would have actually made sense. But so coach he's dies. Everybody runs there at the funeral. Uh, the family's having a service for coach he's um preach is like hiding behind. He's not a part of the service. No, he's hiding in the cuts. He's attending, but in the cuts maybe out of respect, I don't. I don't know what that kind of what that is. How do you, what do you feel like? Why he wasn't there with the family?

Chris: 2:21:24

I think he just there were so many feelings that he had and the thing is is that everything ended with him. It was a lot. He had the secret. He lost the girl again. He lost his best friend, um, the girl that he really liked.

Bruce : 2:21:41

You know that he really felt he had a future with the girl he really liked.

Chris: 2:21:46

Yeah and I mean well, they were good together, honestly and the fact that he didn't get a chance to get the to, to get the info out that they didn't snitch and that it was, uh, verifiable information. Yes, um, he didn't get a chance to make up with cochise over his ex-girl. He didn't get a chance to make up. There's a lot, dude. You got to think. This dude is 17 years old. Yeah, so I think it was a lot of things he didn't feel like addressing because, no doubt, if he would attend it, there would have been a lot of questions to preach.

Chris: 2:22:24

Yeah, everybody's best friend.

Bruce : 2:22:27

Everybody's best friend, the last person to song all this stuff.

Chris: 2:22:30

What happened between you and him once again probably went around that yo preaching, preaching, coach Cheese, they had had odds because Cheese was sleeping with his ex-girlfriend. You know what I'm saying? It's just stuff like that, and I'm going to be real with you. If it was me, I wouldn't want to deal with nobody, correct, I wouldn't, I'm done. I'm just done Mentally, emotionally, I'm spent. Yeah, so I get why he didn't want to be a part of any of that, right? Uh, unfortunately, it was a lot of people that he loved, um, including his own family, his mom, who he started really like, really feeling for you know, and understanding, as an adult, what she was going through, what she had to go through, to keep a roof over his head.

Chris: 2:23:19

It's a lot Interesting point.

Chris: 2:23:21

It's a lot, man. It goes to your head.

Chris: 2:23:22

It's like all the times I messed up and, like you said, especially at that age.

Chris: 2:23:27

At that age he feels responsible for he probably feels responsible for everything that happened in the movie.

Chris: 2:23:33

He feels responsible for everything that happened in the movie, which is a lot on the 17 year old young black man to carry the death of your friend and losing all these women in your life. Your mom are working three jobs. Like he feeling all that pressure. He feeling all that pressure on top of the Robin stone thing was never cleared up as the funeral was going on, so he might still be running from them, like you said, I'm saying, like he's still like they killed coachees, they looking for me for me and that's all they know.

Chris: 2:24:07

Yeah, he's the only one that know. Yeah, that coachees died at the hands of he's the only one in those stones he's the only one that he knows a lot of stuff.

Chris: 2:24:16

He knows a lot so a lot of it could. A lot of the hiding could be a part of that too. Like, yeah, I don't want them to see me at this funeral because then they'll be able to touch me. They'd be run up on me at the funeral, so, uh, that's. That's. One thing a lot of people don't understand is like robin stone and damon still running around in these streets after killing this dude. Yeah, so he can't preach, can't really go back to a normal life until they go to jail or something happens, but then, but so he's man.

Chris: 2:24:43

That's just tough yeah, it's tough, it's tough because, like I said, he's the only one that knows.

Chris: 2:24:47

Yeah, all of that when he when he goes, when the family leaves, when the family leaves the site and he goes and talks to the grave. You know, that's a great scene of him trying to get all of that out, everything you're saying about the guilt, everything he's feeling, his future and all this other stuff when he's talking to Colchice's grave. I love that scene because that's actually what happens to people.

Chris: 2:25:16

I want to have that last conversation, that's actually what happens to people? I like you want to have that last conversation. I liked the fact that the person that they chose, that the director chose that would be the last person to see preach, was Pooter and I think his name is.

Chris: 2:25:33

That was dope. That was dope.

Chris: 2:25:34

That was one of his best scenes, or one of his best performances. Because of his best performances, because he was in tears, everybody's in tears and confused and and everything, and nobody knows if preach got away or preach is alive or dead at this point you do know that right, yeah, yeah. So for him to see preach and see that preach made it out alive, at least to now. That was like a ray of sunshine in a rainy, cloudy, stormy day, right for uh, preach made it out preach made it out alive.

Bruce : 2:26:09

Yeah, like you said, they didn't know. No, he'd be dead in the grave somewhere nobody everybody was looking for him.

Chris: 2:26:14

Dude brenda was looking for him, his mama was looking and him His mama was looking, and no doubt he's thinking about all of that too and it's like I just can't come out. Bad, as he wanted to to hug his mom and maybe even have that talk with her Mom. I know I was messing up and everything like that and I made life hard on you and I'm sorry he didn't get the chance to have that talk with her. Like I'm gonna prove, I'm gonna make you proud now. I'm gonna stop all this bullshit and I'm gonna go out and do something with my life and make you proud.

Chris: 2:26:49

Yeah, no, it was deep. That last, that last scene, that whole last sequence is deep. It's deep because it's the reality of a young man growing up and understanding like his purpose. Now it can't be this bullshit that we've been doing that got my friend killed. I have to be on my purpose now, which is to go after my dream so I can provide my family and be a productive citizen, and I love this. I love this shot of him running yeah, know, productive citizen, and I love this. I love this the shot of him running yeah, with the camera work and him running, because it felt to me like he was running towards his future. Yeah, leaving his past, leaving his running towards his future so that was kind of dope to me.

Chris: 2:27:27

I'm like that's a dope scene yeah, he's running towards his future and, um, and then how they ended everything, um, where he uh, it showed what he did. What was the? You know what he did after that funeral?

Chris: 2:27:42

he actually did go to hollywood, yes, and become a successful screenwriter and we will, and right now that's what we're about to talk about. So it ended with um. It ended with captions saying that preach uh went to hollywood and became a successful writer, which he'd been wanting to be the whole time from the beginning of the movie. That's what we yeah, they had been laughing, his friends had been laughing at him, and stuff like that and he went ahead and made it happen.

Chris: 2:28:09

Stone and rob was killed in a gas station robbery in 19, which happened in 1966, which is two years after they had killed right which doesn't surprise me, because they was in the streets, like that's what they was.

Chris: 2:28:20

Let me tell you something.

Chris: 2:28:21

Let me tell you something about uh stone rob the actors about um. After the movie they actually did go back to the streets. They still have some ties in hollywood and stuff like that, but they um, there was no gigs or anything like that. Um, so they ended up going back to the streets and norman gibson, the guy that played robert, got shot and killed in 1976 on a, at a stick-up game or at a dice game, at a dice game. Yeah. So he was literally killed for real, yeah, um still in the streets being in the streets he got killed.

Chris: 2:28:55

Rick stone and, uh, norman gibson were still tight even after the movie. So when that happened, uh, rick stone, uh was I mean shattered by, of course. So, uh, not too long after that he ended up having to do a eight-year bid for a armed robbery charge. He got caught, did armed robbery for armed robbery charge. It wasn't until like the late, like mid nineties or something like that. He got out and he got contacted by one of the old cast members of Cooley High, the girl that played Johnny May. Her name is Jackie Taylor. So she contacted him.

Chris: 2:29:38

Dude, she opened up a studio, a performing arts played Johnny May. Her name is Jackie Taylor. So she contacted him. Dude, she opened up a studio, a performing arts studio in Chicago, and she invited Rick Stone to go work for her. He came in and he's working for her as a janitor and then later on he started working with her on productions and he's already been in like 20 different productions and stuff like that out of the studio. So he's a total change man. Um, I watched one of his interviews. I love his character, I love his heart. You could tell he's reformed. He went from like I'll stick you up to like how can I help you?

Chris: 2:30:10

kind of guy yeah, it's just unfortunate yeah, it's just unfortunate that robert didn't get the robert character, norman gibson didn't get the chance to make that, that growth, or to make that turnaround with you, because they were still in their 20s when he got killed.

Chris: 2:30:26

They were still young men yeah when all that happened, because you said it was in the 60s.

Chris: 2:30:30

Yeah, well, in the 70s yeah, so he, they did the movie. The movie came out 75 and I think he got killed in 76, something like that.

Chris: 2:30:40

He was in this mid, mid 20s, by then probably mid 20s, um yeah, and what's sad about it is is that they were just getting back into the groove as far as, like the whole hollywood thing, because they got invited. Uh, smith, rick Stone was saying that they had got a call to make some appearances and stuff like that in the TV show for a coolie high Nice, yeah, so they were, you know, it's just tough, man, that's tough. That's street life man, that's tough, you know. And to get killed, it's just one of those things where they were shooting dice in chicago, right in that same, no same areas, um, where he just, uh, didn't want to give up his money in the dice game and popped him well, they said that uh, brenda's character, uh ended up being a librarian yep, getting married with three kids and moving to Atlanta, georgia, atl.

Chris: 2:31:41

That does not surprise me, man. That fits what would have happened to Brenda, I know.

Chris: 2:31:49

She felt like that type of character. What's weird is that it felt like the actual actor actually did that herself, because she never was in anything else after that.

Chris: 2:31:58

she literally just disappeared, who's atlanta had three kids, but here's a side note, though. Here's a side note, and it's just me being petty as a film director. One of those three kids is preacher's kids, because you know, they wasn't using no condom. We didn't see no condom being used. No At all, not at all. And I have two cousins from two different females in my family who were born and their mothers were virgins First time, boom, pregnant. Yeah, so it happens a lot. First time a woman has sex gets pregnant. Sucks, it sucks, it sucks I'm not I have that in my family.

Chris: 2:32:47

Cousins that were born do you imagine virgins I, almost I. If I was a female, I don't know if I would even want to have that's, that's that's why a lot of them be uh, you know that's what a lot of them be saying that.

Chris: 2:32:58

But um, I feel like brenda probably feel like that first kid is probably preach that she might have put on the new dude in atlanta yeah because I feel like they would have graduated, she wouldn't have been showing yet she could have met a nice dude they having sex and he'd be like, yeah, yo baby. And he, just so you know, overwhelmed by the, by the, by the, you know by who she is, that he just went with. I feel like that first kid is pretty.

Chris: 2:33:33

I mean, I don't know what else to say they was going at it pretty tough.

Chris: 2:33:37

There was no condom use at all, so it's a good chance that she probably ended up pregnant in that scene.

Bruce : 2:33:45

We'll never know.

Chris: 2:33:46

But we do know she had three kids. Damon's character is a sergeant in the army and stationed in Europe. Now, this is the one that pissed me off the most. Damon should have been shot and killed in some type of robbery. Pissed me off the most. Damon should have been shot and killed in some type of robbery going wrong in the streets. His character was too evil to survive this.

Chris: 2:34:04

He instigated something, he got caught up in an instigation of some event or whatever like that, and it would have backfired and it would have killed him. I wouldn't have minded that. I didn't like the Damon character.

Chris: 2:34:20

It's very weird that they let him escape unharmed.

Chris: 2:34:22

He just moved on with his life like he never even did nothing, but at least they put him in a, they made the ending for him if nothing like that was going to happen to him. It matched the character and the kind of person he was. That's a good point so I that's a good send-off. I think that's a good point. Yeah, he, um, that makes sense. I could see him being a sergeant in the military you could.

Chris: 2:34:47

You could, yeah, you could. He had, he had a certain aggressiveness to him that you can see him being a sergeant, right, and then also that type of position, he could instruct other young men on how to be upstanding young men. Like, hopefully, you know, I'm hoping. Well, yeah, I don't hope damn.

Chris: 2:35:04

Yeah.

Chris: 2:35:05

Yeah, I don't know if you changed or anything, I just don't like the fact that it was swept up under the rug that he killed this man like I would have liked this what I would like. After serving 12 years in prison for the murder of coach cheese, he gets out and becomes a military, then I'm like okay cool.

Chris: 2:35:22

He went to jail for it.

Chris: 2:35:23

He atoned for his yeah, it's like dude, he didn't go to jail for it, so this is just gonna be a a hood secret that he killed somebody is like as decorated as coach, that's what I'm saying. Grand cheese wasn't just so cheese wasn't anybody bro. He was a bro, he was a big dude. He was a big dude in the neighborhood to be killed. They would want to know who did this.

Chris: 2:35:45

They would want to know who did this, and Stone and Rod would have been the first suspects because of this damn snitching shit that's going around Not anymore, because they got killed in an armed robbery that went bad. So, yes, true, dang, that's so pooter ends up being a factory worker. You go pooter, which preach was trying to tell him you're gonna end up ironic, right?

Chris: 2:36:12

y'all teasing me yeah, but you're gonna end up being a factory worker in somewhere out in Illinois.

Chris: 2:36:18

Gary Indiana.

Chris: 2:36:19

Gary Indiana. That's where he ended up.

Chris: 2:36:22

It might have been Indiana.

Chris: 2:36:23

It was Indiana somewhere.

Chris: 2:36:26

So he ended up being what Preach didn't want to be. I'm not trying to be like y'all niggas, y'all end up factory workers somewhere. And I'm trying. I got dreams, I got goals and stuff. I respect him for that. You got to respect him. He stood up, he stood on business. Yeah, this is what I'm gonna do with my life, but I know where you're gonna end up because you ain't trying to do nothing with your life. So that was that was he was. He was smart of knowing you know how he was gonna end up. Uh, tyrone killed in the 1968 riots, that kind, kind of sucked that, sucked, that, really sucked.

Chris: 2:37:01

Because the thing about Tyrone throughout the whole movie when you watch the movie, tyrone was down for his boys, yeah, and down for his girl too, dorothy. He was an interesting character in that you didn't think that he would get involved in something like that, right. But who knows, after school is over and stuff like that. He needed the cost to be a part of something big. Yeah, I could see that?

Chris: 2:37:28

yeah, it was. It was sad that they said that that's how his character that his character ended was in 68. He got killed right and if anybody and if anybody who doesn't understand how serious it was the late 60s, in every major city of the country was on fire la watts, oakland with the panthers, boston, chicago, new york it was across all the the late 60s was a motherfucker

Chris: 2:37:54

oh my god, it felt like black people, just like we had enough of this shit. We burning it down like ice cube had us on burn hollywood, burn.

Chris: 2:38:03

They was on some like we burning all this shit. Yeah, y'all not gonna respect us, as, as people who contribute to society, we might as well burn it down and start over killing all the leaders. So every major city was getting torched to the ground. It was killing all the leaders, killing leaders. It was killing and nobody was going to jail for none of this stuff. No, like nobody went to jail for none of this stuff no, I the one of the most.

Chris: 2:38:31

There's a couple of them. When it comes to history, the history of blacks, uh, black people and uh, you know us just trying to make a statement in society, you know that we are somebody. Uh is the whole fred hampton case. I don't know if you're familiar with that yeah yeah, no, fred hampton case.

Chris: 2:38:50

I don't care what you say and I'll probably get him, get you in trouble for saying this, but that was, was straight up unadulterated, no doubt about it. Murder, of course yes, it was. And the whole case with Medgar Evers and what happened with him. I think his shooter did get tried and was acquitted by a 12-person jury. He was found innocent and killed him in cold blood on his own front yard.

Bruce : 2:39:22

Damn. Yeah, that's just crazy to me yeah, that's the shit that we had to deal with as people, and the thing is that I don't remember who you guys were having a conversation with, but Medgar Evers was actually a decorated soldier with medals for serving in World War I think it was World War.

Chris: 2:39:42

He served in Korean War. He served somewhere In a real war, in a real war, a real war, right, and they wouldn't admit him into an all-white hospital, which was the closest hospital to save his life. Wow, yeah, he was like nah, we don't allow, and it's like this don't allow, and it's like this is, and he, you know this mega evers, this is what he did and he's dying, and it's like can't let him in. That's deep. So, of course, uh, they did finally fight to get him in, but it was too late but it's deep, yeah, man.

Chris: 2:40:18

So anytime you talk about, like the, the sacrifices black people made and stuff like that, just for the revolution, and why, I would never compare something like an organization like black panthers to the kkk's, because black panthers is not founded on hate, it's. Black panthers actually existed to help the community, you know, and basically become, um, self-sustaining. That's what they preached. Let's take care of each other. That's what it was about, right, you know, um, whereas other things was other.

Chris: 2:40:49

Whatever it was about, the big thing we got, we we're going to get back to, we're going to circle around to, is motown's imprint on this movie. Um, there was a song called it's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday. That played in the end uh, originally by uh gc cameron, redone in 1991 by boys to men, that song, um, it was special back then in the movie it.

Chris: 2:41:19

it was a, uh, very important time in the movie to play that song. Everybody remembers that song, oh yeah. But the fact that boys to men all those years later redid it and it hit number one on the planet as if it was a brand new song, yeah, like that blew my mind Even in 1991, I was like isn't?

Chris: 2:41:43

this an old song from another movie. I remember my father saying, yeah, but they re-released it on Motown again. Yeah, and it blew up again. That shows you the magic of Motown. They did it twice. Yeah, with the same song, yeah.

Chris: 2:41:58

Shout out same song yeah.

Chris: 2:41:59

Shout out to.

Chris: 2:42:00

Boyz II Men Shout out to Boyz II Men man, that's one of those songs and you listen. If you actually sat in a room no distractions, no other noises and you sat and you listened to that song, especially after losing somebody you love, dude, you would just You'd cry.

Chris: 2:42:17

You're going to cry yeah you after losing somebody you love dude, you would just you cry, you're gonna cry, yeah you cry straight up you cry.

Chris: 2:42:21

I remember crying twice, uh, hearing it when my son passed and then hearing it when his, when my son's friends passed, because they usually play that at funerals and stuff like that and it's like that's the one song I do not want to hear at a funeral, because I already know it's going to bring back memories and and even if it ain't people who you lost, uh, tragically like I lost mine, but just people in general you're gone my parents, my grandparents is like you never had to have those last conversations that's what hurts the most and make you cry.

Chris: 2:42:50

When you hear that song is like not that you just lost them, but the conversations that you should have had that you never had exactly. So it's hard to say goodbye to their memory, knowing that you did not finish that last conversation properly. You know, even if it's last conversation would end with I love you, you never got a chance to tell them that and for them to receive that the way you wanted them to. So I think it was dope how they placed it, where they placed it in a movie and that, yeah, and that's what made it such a giant thing that people will never forget about that movie. That particular song is like damn.

Chris: 2:43:26

Yeah, that's a heart jerker. It's a heart jerker. But when, boyz?

Chris: 2:43:30

II Men did it in 1991, not only did it go platinum certified but shot to number one in the country. In the country they would play something fast like MC hammer and play that right behind it like it was nothing, like it played everywhere. Yeah, so that was a major and I don't think I'm assuming that in 1975, when the movie came out, they never had an idea. Motown, I mean never had an idea.

Chris: 2:43:57

Motown, I mean Never had an idea that we was going to re-release this song almost 20 years later and it's going to do these numbers, of course not.

Chris: 2:44:06

I applaud producers of that track that they kept that acapella. Yes, they didn't put no music on it or anything like that, they just let the boys do their thing. That's because the purpose of that song is to sit and listen to that song and think it's not a song written for the dead, but it's written for the living, to help you to appreciate just how important life is and how important life's moments are as well, and with the good times and the bad times and stuff like that, that's all going to come with a part of life.

Chris: 2:44:42

But never lose sight of the fact that life itself is precious. And the one thing that we don't and we all do it it doesn't matter who we lose or anything like that there's always. I could have, I should have, I would have, yeah, and it doesn't matter, you could have spoke to him yesterday and it's like I didn't do enough, didn't do enough, I didn't call my partner enough and check on him.

Chris: 2:45:04

I didn't do this, I didn't do that, and you know what I be thinking about too. I could be the nigga that could be gone tomorrow.

Chris: 2:45:16

True, it ain't always be the one going tomorrow you know, look at it like that those that's gonna that, that love you and that you know that are in your life like that, they're gonna have those same thoughts. Yeah, it's just universal that. That's how we are yeah so, um, yeah, that song. Um, everybody does it, dude. I was reading reviews on the movie and stuff like that, and that's the most unanimous thing in the comment thread is that song at the end of the movie. When that happens, what emotions go through them?

Chris: 2:45:50

Yeah.

Chris: 2:45:52

It's so emotional, it's very emotional.

Chris: 2:45:55

Everybody's crying. Pooter's crying, everybody's crying.

Chris: 2:45:58

I remember when I first so, when my wife watched it with me she never seen Cooley High.

Chris: 2:46:04

Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

Chris: 2:46:06

So when she watched it with me it was her first time watching it and through the whole thing she's a fan of 80s movies, 80s teenage movies and stuff like that. Teenagers have problems, they go. Like that, teenagers have problems, they go, you know it's all focused on them and their issues or whatever. So it's kind of to her one of those kind of movies just kids being kids goofing around. You know, things get a little complicated with the law and with other relationships and stuff like that. But she did not see that coming. Yeah, nobody. If you, it's the first time you ever seen that movie. You don't see it coming. Yeah, and then that movie literally goes from this comedy of these four coming of age boys or or whatever like that, to being a tragic life lesson like that yeah, it became a very serious, and that's what makes this movie classic.

Chris: 2:46:53

Yeah, that's. What makes this movie so classic is is that unexpected turn that the movie makes that everyone can relate to it takes you out of this space. It puts you in this space and then it's like it just leaves you there.

Chris: 2:47:09

You know yeah and I and I read also that the the reason why what's happening, the tv show wasn't called Cooley High. The same name is like the last thing people remember is the tragedy of Cooley High. You can't turn it into a comedy. No, so they had to change the name. Yeah, because you only remember how it ended, which was not a happy event or nothing, and they wanted to make a comedy sitcom. Yeah, cool, yeah. So, yeah, the director, I'm gonna say he fucked it up, but it's so sad at the end we can't transition from that into a comedy. No, like we could. We can't do that. No, unfortunately. No, so they had to change the name. But essentially, what's happened is coolio essentially, you'll keep it real.

Chris: 2:47:59

It is coolio. So the the thing is is with eric monte and you you say how much of it is true. It is true that eric monte did lose a friend it is true that I heard that his friend was an athlete. It is true that, um, he grew up in the cabrini Green, projects Eric Monti did. It is true that he came to Hollywood to be a successful screenwriter, which he did, which he did.

Bruce : 2:48:23

Sure did.

Chris: 2:48:24

And he ended up writing for shows like the Jeffersons Jeffersons. Well, I don't know if he co-created Jeffersons or whatnot, but he was a regular writer on Jeffersons. But he started with All in the Family.

Bruce : 2:48:36

Norman.

Chris: 2:48:36

Lear liked them a lot.

Chris: 2:48:37

Yeah, um so shout out to norman lear all rest in peace. Normally did he just yeah I think he's gone. I think he just passed. I think he's gone. He might have just passed. I want to say he's like 99 or something like that.

Chris: 2:48:51

Yeah, he's old oh yeah, that kind of you know launched his career in television sitcoms and good times.

Chris: 2:49:00

He wrote on good times.

Chris: 2:49:02

I was trying to think what was the other one he wrote.

Chris: 2:49:05

He did so everything that Preach would have done, we saw this director actually do it yeah, he actually did. Preach was actually successful in Hollywood Preach ended up being a success, which is dope to know that it ended that way.

Chris: 2:49:22

Are the projects that the Evans live in on Good Times is that in Chicago.

Chris: 2:49:26

Yep.

Chris: 2:49:27

It is.

Chris: 2:49:28

It is. That's Chicago Yep. Not sure if it's those same projects, though.

Chris: 2:49:35

Well, you know, Chicago has more.

Chris: 2:49:36

That's what I'm saying yeah, there's so many here.

Chris: 2:49:42

There's a lot. I'm not sure if it's the same exact ones, but it definitely. It looked like it looked for the structures, because I've been in chicago, uh once and I was there for a minute not a minute, but about a week or whatever like that for an event, and I did get a chance to see, like chicago, uh the, because I was on the south side, okay. Okay, I actually had a community center, we were doing a show over there or whatever, but it looked like those projects, the ones, that's found on South Side Chicago yeah.

Chris: 2:50:09

Which looked different from the ones we saw in the Cooley High movie and Cabrini Green.

Chris: 2:50:13

Correct, correct. Well, let's get to this. We rating it now for scale of one to ten seven being good, eight being great, okay, nine being excellent and ten just being a classic. What do you rate?

Chris: 2:50:29

it, man, I'm gonna have to give it. I mean, there's a couple missteps and and stuff like that, but because of the fact that that there was never at one point in the movie that I felt like it was slowed or it didn't need to be in the movie or needed to be omitted Good point and everything in the movie made sense to come and it played into if you pay attention, it played into the ending. So I got to give it a nine or a ten me.

Chris: 2:51:03

I would definitely give it a nine. I would definitely give it a nine, um, and I'll even give it a couple of extra, but I'll give it a 9.3 somewhere around there. Uh, I think I think that even with the little hiccups, those are 1975 hiccups. It's just how films had mistakes in 1975. So I'm going to grade that on a curve, but I think the story was great.

Chris: 2:51:30

I love the screenplay. I love how they ended the story with letting you know what happened to these characters. I hate movies where you build up all these characters. We fall in love with the characters. We don't know what happened to them in the end, right. So I love movies where they explain what happened to the characters and, like we were just saying, it feels like everything they said happened to these characters would have actually happened to these characters. You know the guys getting killed yeah, one moving to atlanta, having kids, the factory worker, like that, probably. What happened to these people? Yeah, in reality. So I would give it like a 9.3. I would get definitely give it like a 9.3. It means it.

Chris: 2:52:10

This movie meansa lot to me when I watch it over again. It brought, it stirred up a lot of feelings, uh, of of how I felt when I first saw it, how I felt when I saw with my, with my friends. Later on we were in our 20s and now, you know, 50 year old man watching it stirred up a lot of feelings. But it's a dope. It's always gonna be a dope movie in my eyes. Uh, I'm always gonna have love for it. So now the name of the show is called the main ingredient. So, in your opinion, what is the main ingredient, the one thing in this film that made you give it the nine, the nine that you gave it for its score? What is the one thing? And that one thing could be anything storyline, characters, the backdrop of the city, whatever coolie, high, the actual, you know, property, whatever it is. What's the one thing that you loved about this movie that made you love it? Preach preach.

Chris: 2:53:01

Okay, how they developed the character preach, how they evolved him. We saw him actually grow up in the movie before our eyes. Yeah, um, and what he was to become. You know, um, there was a lot of lessons that preach taught us in that whole movie, the whole journey as far as like love, friendship, responsibility not only responsibility towards himself in his own future, but also for the ones that he loved in his family and then he finally got it, and then he went on to do great things once he got it. That's dope.

Chris: 2:53:41

That's the main ingredient Preach, did grow up right in front of our eyes just doing this one little hour and a half Hour and a half.

Chris: 2:53:49

He actually grew up, yeah. So, yeah, you're right about that. You're right about that. On my end, I love. The main ingredient to me was like preach and uh colchis's relationship how tight they were. They function like biological brothers, even though they weren't. I love, like I said from the very beginning, I love the fact that he came and woke his partner up in the morning. Yeah, we going to school. Yeah, fuck what you on. Yeah, you, my brother.

Chris: 2:54:17

If I'm going, you going right we're gonna go to school then, we're gonna cut class, then we're gonna cut, but whatever we do, we're doing it together. We're doing it together, real talk, we're doing we fighting people together, together all together yeah and even down to him going to look for coach.

Chris: 2:54:31

She's like I gotta go find my brother because robin stone is out there looking for us and I got this information and I need to clear all this stuff up. Yeah, so even the love in the end for him finding him and just being like no, no, like just his emotions when he found him, we didn't really get into?

Chris: 2:54:49

no, we didn't. We didn't but that glenn turman acted his ass off on that scene, oh my, god, if I never mind. I'm not not treading lightly on cochise's death, but just the way he played out like the. When he found him, he was like oh no, no, no, because all kinds of stuff is flying through his head now like dude. It didn't have to be this way. I, I have our ticket, I have our golden ticket and I got here too late. All because I was tripping. Now it's his fault.

Chris: 2:55:22

Yeah, all because I was tripping off him, taking on all that pressure taking on all that, oh my god 17 year old man to know that he he could possibly be responsible for.

Chris: 2:55:34

Yeah, you know, like it ain't even when you think about it in the scope of what just happened, dude, it ain't that serious. I don't even care about a girl like that, whatever. Yeah, dude, don't leave me now. He's alone, truly alone, alone truly, truly with these secrets, yeah, and I love how, in all his grief and anguish, they squealed the wheels of the train when he's yelling for help, because it's literally like dude. All of this is in vain All of it.

Chris: 2:56:08

Nobody hears your cries. Nobody hears your cries. You are really alone. Yeah, you're alone, holding your dead best friend and I love that scene. But, like I said, the main ingredient was me was like their relationship was was real big for me, because it started the movie off like this is they brothers? Yeah, you know, I'm saying like they got each other back from the joking to the fighting to to the end. Uh, so that's what I really loved about it. Like my main ingredient was like the love that coach cheese and preach had from each other.

Chris: 2:56:43

It was deep and the belief they had in each other too. You mentioned earlier about how when they were on the stoop and they were actually talking about and they were drinking, and they were actually talking about preachers, poetry and stuff like that, and coach cheese actually was like his rock on that Cochise wasn't in on making fun of him, the jokes.

Chris: 2:57:01

Yeah, he wasn't about the jokes.

Chris: 2:57:02

Because he knew what it was like to dream, yeah, and to try to make your dreams happen, make them a reality. And that's his boy. Yeah, oh, you got dreams too. I want to see you make it.

Chris: 2:57:14

Yeah, no, it was dope, it was, it was dope um. But I definitely want to thank you, my brother, for coming here and doing this uh review of um cooley high with me, because, uh, it was a special movie and and we are from that era where we remember when, when this movie came out, what it meant to us, our culture, black people in general. So definitely appreciate it, tell the people where they can find you.

Chris: 2:57:42

Oh, that's easy. You find me at Linktree at Bayworld. So type in L-I-N-K-T-R dot E-E, Bayworld Unlimited. You see some of the other great stuff that we're doing in animation, especially for our culture.

Chris: 2:57:57

Thank you, and once again, black animator, senior animator, bayworld Unlimited LLC. Doing really big things. Y'all should go check them out on YouTube BayWorld Unlimited, on YouTube, everywhere. Basically TikTok everywhere. Check them out doing great things in animation for the culture. Once again, I'm Chris Ellis, your host of the Main Ingredient with Chris Ellis, and we'll catch you next time. Peace.