"The Spook Who Sat By The Door" Movie Review | The Main Ingredient With Chris Ellis Podcast - Ep.3

Imagine walking away from a mundane job to find a career that truly resonates with your soul. In this episode, we begin with a captivating story of a friend who made this courageous leap into social work, setting the stage for our deep dive into the 1973 film "The Spook Who Sat by the Door." We dissect the film's controversial reception, its addition to the Library of Congress, and its groundbreaking commentary on racial integration and empowerment. You'll hear about key scenes like the manipulation of the black vote and the rigorous testing for the first black CIA agent, Daniel Freeman, whose resilience and strategic positioning by the door reflect his dedication and focus.

Next, we analyze Freeman's tactical prowess demonstrated during his CIA training. By remaining silent and observant, Freeman navigated the complex psychological tests and surveillance, standing out from his peers. We discuss his interactions, including the significance of naming a woman the Dahomey Queen, and his sharp intelligence that belied his unassuming appearance. This segment delves into the complexities of Freeman's relationships and the influences in his life, leading to an unexpected and impactful betrayal. Our guest, the lyrical assassin from the Bay, shares their unique insights, enriching our discussion with a fresh perspective on these themes.

In the final segment, we explore broader themes of race, rebellion, and identity. From Freeman's Freedom Fighters' organizational strategies to the brutal policing tactics depicted in the film, we draw striking parallels to modern perspectives on law enforcement. We reflect on the evolution of beauty standards and gender representation, comparing past portrayals to today's media landscape. The episode wraps up with a critical analysis of political debates and the power of art and music in storytelling, emphasizing how films like "The Spook Who Sat by the Door" continue to resonate. Special thanks to our guest for joining us and contributing to this rich, multifaceted discussion.

Chapters

• 0:00 Discussion on 'The Spook
• 6:13 Freeman's Strategic Maneuvers in CIA Training
• 10:15 Discussion on Black Exploitation Films
• 23:12 Betrayal and Loyalty in CIA Training
• 32:38 Identity and Race in Society
• 47:04 Organizing and Strategizing for Rebellion
• 53:42 Race, Rebellion, and Strategic Maneuvers
• 1:06:31 Gender and Body Image in Media
• 1:20:18 Film Critique on Storytelling and Characters
• 1:33:57 Political Views and Movie Critique

Transcript

Chris: 0:00

He kept it so real that he stayed there five years, literally didn't give him no assignments. He was in a copy room walking people around, guesting and shit for five years. He was like I'm done with this shit. It's some bullshit. I want to be a social worker. He said I'd rather go back to Chicago. Man, it was kind of weird seeing that, because I'm like they got tanks, guns and all these explosives and these dudes from the hood is just they taking advantage of angles, heights and like that, they throwing grenades. They was ready for war. Freeman had them wrecked.

Chris: 0:53

What's up, y'all? I'm your host, chris ellis and this is the main ingredient with chris ellis today, we got the lyrical assassin, the hip-hop artist from the bay. He got everything on, lit everything on fire. The homeboy is real. What's cracking, bro? What's happening with it? Man? You know what I mean. It's been a minute since we met man. What you been up to? Shit, man, just man flying under the radar taking it light, man, you know, just at it. Man tripping at the brick wall. Man, you know what I'm saying? Wall, that's who's absolutely, absolutely. You always been working real hard, man, you know. So I know you've been real busy in the studios and doing your thing and stuff. So I appreciate you coming out for sure, doing this podcast episode with me for sure. Um, so today we're here to talk about the spook who sat by the door.

Chris: 1:41

Spook who Sat by the Door came out in 1973. It was based off a novel written by Sam Greenlee in 1969. So four years previously the book came out. It was directed by. Ivan Dixon is starring Lawrence Cook as Dan Freeman, janet Leigh is Joy, paula Kelly is Dahomey Queen, ja Preston is Dawson, paul Butter as Daddy Dean, david Lemieux as Pretty Willie we're going to get into Pretty Willie and the musical was produced by the legendary Herbie Hancock. The soundtrack is great. It don't get no better than Herbie Hancock. Especially in the 70s. He was like in his bag Watermelon man and all that other stuff he was in his bag watermelon man and all that other stuff he was in his bag back then for real and also as a side note. The movie was added to the library of congress in 2012 because of its historical and social meaning to american culture, because sometimes you don't appreciate shit till later and I think when it came out back then it was very controversial and people's kind of staying away from this taboo. Now they realize how much ahead of its time it actually was. Absolutely, because we in those times that he was trying to talk about back then, right, so let's get into it. So we gonna, we gonna get into with the opening scene.

Chris: 3:00

So the opening scene there's a white senator who's worried about his votes, the black vote correct, and he's talking to his two constituents, which is one was a black secretary and one was his wife, I think it was, and his wife brought up that. Why don't we blame the cia on the reason why you can't get the black vote correct? So, because he was like I'm, I'm the only thing in, people have, yeah, them people, them people, ok, and he was trying to make himself seem like the messiah of black people. Like he come to say he come to say black people. They brought up an idea to integrate the CIA to make it look like you know, blacks on the rise, you know we care, and like he did it for black people, he put him in the cia. So I guess he talked with the deputy director of cia and he had a program where they was testing black people correct to see to get the first cia agent, the first black cia agent which happens to be named daniel free freeman man. Yeah, free man, free man. That's a good point, okay.

Chris: 4:04

So in the next scene you see about a hundred, uh, black men tested by the government. They tested the physical ability, mental ability, and you know, they're just taking them through the process of what it takes to be a cia agent. But at the same time they're laughing at them. They're showing scenes of the director and all and laughing at them like none of these monkeys are gonna make it correct. Talking big shit, right, but not, not the spook at the back of the door, no, no, they knew that freeman was different, right, like they was like, oh, he's passed all the physical tests, he's top three in his class and all the mental stuff caught on too late. They caught on too late because they would have got him out of there earlier had they known he might be the one that's gonna make it.

Chris: 4:50

When I looked at that movie and I was like the spook who sat by the door, I'm like, okay, they called cia a spook, so, and I was like what, what is this shit by the door of me? And when I seen that, I didn't catch it the first time, but when I, when I looked at it again, I was like she was always in the back, like, yeah, by the door, he was always there, yeah, you know. And it was like you know as to where they was, in the front of the class, like you know what I mean, trying to run their mouth and look cool, and yeah, and that's why they got at him like what kind of time are you? Yeah, yeah, he was like you know, I guess the same as you. I'll try to have it both ways. I'm glad you brought that up, because the next scene was the men came to freeman's hotel room because I guess he was staying some type of dorm situation and it was like let's go out?

Chris: 5:41

Yeah, freeman was like no, I'm good, I'm studying, blah, blah, blah. And one of the dudes was like what type of time are you? Yeah, and then it got heated between them, yeah, and he said something to the fact of he told freeman something to the fact of you just won't be satisfied until all niggas is pushing brooms and he said like your mama? Yeah, what? Like, oh, yeah, that's what. Dude was like we need to step outside, yeah, so freeman took off his glass. He said you don't want to. I don't think you want to step. Nice, I really don't think you want that type of smoke. Kick your ass, baby.

Chris: 6:13

Freeman was so confident in his hand-to-hand combat he never stood up. He just looked at dude. Why dude stood up was like I would just kick your ass. I'm not here to be your partner because I'm that same dude who said who told, who asked him to go out and said something about the broom stuff. That was the same dude when they, when all 10, made it to the, to the final 10. He was the same dude that said as long as we all stick together and don't do too much, they're gonna grade on the curve and keep all of us correct. He, he was worried about. He wanted everybody to get in Right.

Chris: 6:48

Freeman understood the assignment. Was they only going to let one of us get in? So all of us being partners don't even make no damn sense. Hey, he was like I don't give a fuck who else is getting. I'm getting Right, I'm getting in. He didn't in. I'm going to make sure that I separate myself from you, motherfucker. And he knew. He knew Because if you go back to that little gathering when they was having drinks after they knew the final 10 made it.

Chris: 7:16

Freeman was the only one that wasn't saying enough, because I think at that point Freeman knew like OK, this is CIA, we're in their building, they're filming us and they're listening to what we're saying. You're the only one that understood that cia, that's easy work, we in here talking about honkies and all this other shit in their building that they have tapped to the teeth. And what was called was they left him in a room full of alcohol. Oh, and it was like yeah, you know, we got the sev as regal. That was cold shit right there, bro, and and that's what it is, that was cold he. They wanted to see who gonna gravitate towards the alcohol. Who gonna get in there, get drunk, who gonna start running that mouth about the white man, this white man, that. And they, all of them, did exactly that, except freeman. He just stood back there. They showed him in a camera like this he didn't say absolutely nothing. I'm gonna let y'all play y'all selves out of this situation.

Chris: 8:15

And he don't look like. He looks unassuming. Got the, got the nerdy glasses on, so it don. So he don't even look like. He's about what he's about. Motherfucker was buying pussy. Nobody knew the CIA knew the CIA was on it. I tripped out. They knew exactly who he was getting pussy from.

Chris: 8:38

Because you just tripped me out when you said to Dahomey Queen and I was like they never even gave her a name. Yeah, he gave her that name. Yeah, he literally gave her her character name. Yeah, you look like a queen from Dahomey, that you know. When got the accent, you know, you said that. You know, was you jiving me? Yeah, she thought he was jiving her, but nah, he was like nah in Africa. You remind me of somebody. I got a picture and I could actually show you that you look like this chick. Hey, uh, but he gave her that name and that was her. When I saw, when I went through the list of characters and the character names, I'm like, oh shit, the homie queen. So damn, they just stuck with that name that he gave her like hey man, when he first had her and told her about it, she had hair. The next time you seen her she had bald. Oh, she was bald, she was bald. You right, because he said that's what, that's what the dahomey queen look. Yeah, yeah, I was like hey man, he was effective and she believed him. Yeah, he put her on.

Chris: 9:41

But so we get to the part, we get to the scene where the CIA starts training all the men with explosives, gunplay, dive and stuff like that. And that's when we see the CIA director and one of his cronies, another white guy, talking that shit about Freeman, like we got to do something about him. He, the only one is showing he's going to pass. He's going to pass, pass. There's no way he gonna fail. He's not gonna let himself fail. And dude was like how did we not? He said something like how did we not catch on to him? Or something.

Chris: 10:15

It was like he was like he has a way of fading to the back. Yeah, yeah, which we saw, that first group of 10. He was faded in the back, which was kind of dope because you would have thought that since he started a movie, they'd put him somewhere in the middle or in the front of that scene, with him by the bar. He in the back, by the door. He's in the back, by the door, back like this here, what they got to say, knowing that they're being taped and listened to. He's knowing all this shit because he understands the CIA, what they do.

Chris: 10:46

He understands that he has sex with the prostitute, uh, named the homie queen, um, and the 1973 prices for for ass was cheap. She said $15 in five hours for the motel. Come on, mom. Come on, mom. You can't talk to a prostitute out here with twenty dollars, man, twenty dollars, bro, with a hundred dollars you can't talk to her. She was top shelf. She wasn't like a dope being another, like delmar for good times, almost man, fine man, yeah, she. And, and that's where he gives her the name, the homie queen, where he says she reminds him of an african queen and he also offers to show her pictures when he, when they meet up again, of the queen, right, and like you said, the next time she ball hit it. So she kind of listened, she was paying attention to what he was saying. Once she realized he wasn't bullshit, he didn't have a reason, bullshit, he paying for the ass. You know what was. You know what was dope about that? Like, because we talk about that all the time, about how you shoot shit, right, we've never seen him show our picture, never. We just seen something must have happened because she was bald headed the next time. You know what I mean? Yeah, we seen them together. Yeah, that was amen.

Chris: 12:08

Yeah, how they was shooting them movies back in the days, bro. I know they had to be very creative because they had limited budget, right, hollywood was against them, this black exploitation time, so they wasn't really trying to let us make great movies. You think they'll redo it? Nah, I don't. Nah, I wonder why. Nah, nah, I wouldn't want them to redo it because I feel like they would lose the magic. It would lose the magic, but you got to remember this movie. They did not want this shit to come out Correct movie. They did not want this shit to come out correct. So in 1969 I was doing my research.

Chris: 12:45

In 1969, when the writer was trying to get the book published, no american publisher would do it. He had to go to london and get it published. It blew up in london. Then they made the screenplay movie out here and the fbi only let it run for about two months and they shut it down All theater. Same shit they did with NWA. They did the same thing Sent out the cease and desist letters and you keep playing this movie. We don't shut down your business and all this stuff. The theater shut it down, right. So that's how. That's how controversial this movie actually was for that time. Right, because, remember we coming out of 68 riots, 69 riots all over the country, right, watts, oakland, all boston, chicago. So what they was thinking was that this movie would spark that again in the 70s. You know how to do it right now. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Chris: 13:37

If they did it right now, they were actually scared of revolution. All that shit gil scott harron was talking about revolution won't be televised. They were scared of that shit. Listen, man, that's one of my favorite artists. Right there, man, gil scott said a long time ago man, you know, yeah, he, he, he stayed on that tip like this y'all better pay attention, wake up. Like we talk now about this whole woke culture. He been telling people to wake the fuck up. It's different to to just talk the shit, but it's when you're affected. They scared of like assist like you coming up with a system, coming up with a system work. Yeah, like in that movie.

Chris: 14:20

They like when they was talking about the, when the CIA was showing them how to use materials and shit. They was using materials that you use from your kitchen. You know what I mean, that's right. Yeah, like shit that you can get at the store. That's not, you're not buying explosives, or. You know what I mean? That MacGyver shit. Yeah, like four out of cans, yeah, that man's supposed to buy the chewing gum man. You know what I mean? I'm like that shit crazy man.

Chris: 14:56

That movie right there, man, it's kind of like a must watch. It, kind of is a must. It's almost like it ain't even just a must watch. It kind of is a must. It's almost like it's almost like it ain't even just a must watch for black people. I think all colors should watch, right, yeah, absolutely, because it's dealing with oppression, is dealing with politics, is dealing with what the cia was actually about back then, correct, which was doing all the surveillance on black people mostly black people, wasn't even doing nothing to bother them, right, like they were surveilling the fucking black panthers and martin luther king, right, they wasn't worried about the cia, they were worried about feeding their own people. Well, well, the shit is it. It was. It was wicked when you really think of it in terms of the reason why that they was the, uh, the, the senator or whoever in the beginning of the movie was doing that because segregation. That just ended, yes, yes.

Chris: 15:50

So now it's like we, as a people, we ain't even got our feet up underneath ourself. You know what I'm saying. So it's like y'all doing other shit and creating these laws and it's just like, damn, I was looking at wag the dog, okay, okay. So it's like if you're watching, if you're a person that's watching old school movies like scarface, you know what I'm saying shit, you need to be watching the spook who sat by the door. Yeah, definitely, but not only that, wag the dog. You turn me on to that. That's what's going on right now. That's what's going on right the fuck now.

Chris: 16:28

And it's really about being effective, like down to movie make. Yeah, I can appreciate people that, um, make movies. That has not just a message but a reason. You know what I'm saying. Artistically, there were parts of the movie that could have been better, but I always, as a filmmaker, keep in mind the time it was made and the budget they had. They didn't have a budget. This was a blackmail man. They was basically scraping money out of their pockets to get these movies done. So they didn't have Warner Brothers pictures and Touchstone pictures to do these movies. So you're going to have some continuity issues. You're going to have some camera angles that could have been better. I don't worry about that when it comes to movies from that time, because the message is more important than what it looked like, you know, because they got movies now and like they didn't have a special effect, correct, and so it's like they have movies with special effects. That's not good. It's that movie, that's true.

Chris: 17:31

And when you fast and furious, is one of yeah, you see what I'm saying, I mean it was just horrible. You know what I'm saying. Like my homie, I was saying I like how rob zombie shoots him his mook like he doesn't show, like when he did halloween he did. He did a scene where the camera was on the floor and the lady was on the floor, so the camera's on the floor facing her like that, with her parallel on the floor, boom. So now you got michael myers with the knife like this and the camera's shooting up like that, and you see the knife come down, then it shows back to her on the floor and then they just show her face shape, so you seeing the impact of it, but you're never seeing the knife go into it. Right, right. And so my homie was like, yeah, back in the day they had to shoot like that because they couldn't show gore? No, not at all. And so that made me think about, like alfred hitchcock. Yeah, alfred hitchcock psycho, that was a. That was a spooky ass movie right there, but you never seen the knife going. You know what I'm saying. No for the famous shower scene, shit horrified.

Chris: 18:48

Yeah, man, you know, because as an independent filmmaker, you just got to figure out ways to get shit done without disrupting the infrastructure of filmmaking to where you won't be the making in the theaters and stuff like that, especially back then, right, especially back then. So I appreciate when I watch these movies from the 70s, the blaxploitation film, I appreciate them in a different light than films of now, because I know what they had to go. Right, it's just to get the shit done. And then you get hated on when it's done. Nobody want to show it in the theater or they fucking talk bad about it, so nobody want to go see it. Like it's instant hate because you, just because you made a black film, right, you know. So just getting this film done was a huge accomplishment, that's what? Absolutely, absolutely huge accomplishment. And then it's in to get it green lighted for the the time that it did get green.

Chris: 19:42

Yes, you know what I'm saying for that time, the cia, one of the guys from the cia, is interviewing the homie queen about freeman and she basically telling him he a solid dude top to bottom. But what's interesting and maybe we can talk touch on this they kept asking was he a homosexual? Like, what the fuck difference? Would that make you understand what I'm saying? Like, he asked her like three times he sleeps with women. Yeah, he sleeps with women. He couldn't be, he couldn't the woman tell him he a solid, dude, heterosexual man. But his last question was like but is he a homosexual? It was like that was such a big thing back then. Yeah, because, even though that shouldn't make you a worse agent. Like, what would that have to do with you being a cia agent? Yeah, because, because that was going into the aids era true, you know what I mean. Like that, that was going towards that, that whole little thing like man.

Chris: 20:43

Just just with the, with with the 70s, I was tripping off of like even down to the music, like how we talk about herbie hancock and I produced that shit and we know for one, we were getting there. You know what I mean. We didn't have the technology, so they had to go in there and get that shit done that's true. Like on one take, on one take. So like, think about, like Marvin Gaye songs, like he's singing that shit from front to back, bro, yeah, ain't no tape. How does that sound? Nah, you know what I'm saying. And so it's just like they got one reel of tape and that's it. That's it.

Chris: 21:24

Imagine like when we was fucking with it was like you record over something and if you fucked up you have to go back and race yeah and record over that again, and you can't do that a hell of a time because now you fucking wild, yeah, right, because it was analog. That was different how you shit ready when you come to the studio. Have it ready. We was real big on that's one thing I can say. Is is, back in the day, even though we were younger and we weren't considered professional because none of us had professional recordings out we took it that way, we treated it that way. So everybody had their raps ready. The beat was ready. You gotta have. It was already. You know the court. We knew what the chorus was gonna be, right, you know we, we took it serious. So it's it's.

Chris: 22:10

It's something to say about somebody who takes stuff that serious. Like freeman took this, took what he was trying to do, serious hell yeah, and that leads to the cia now. Now he makes it through and he's the final one he went. He wins the contest to be the CIA agent. I guess they put this fool in the mail room. He had a mail room making copies.

Chris: 22:32

They only brought him out to walk people around the facility so they can see it's a black person in the building. Ain't that about a bitch, that? But that was the whole purpose. That was like. Again, that goes back to that. But that was the whole purpose. That was like. Again, that goes back to that word being effective. Yeah, we don't need a bunch of them running around. Yeah, we just need one. You just need one, because the show face, yeah, perception is everything. Yeah, you feel me like they come through the door and the black dude answered the door and oh, okay, yeah, well, they're integrated for sure. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. That that's just a fact. You know what I mean. But that was crazy though, like, because you, you seen him win and get through it.

Chris: 23:12

And then the very next scene, he making copies. In the damn copy he made this man do learn explosives, gunplay, diving, all these fucking special activities to learn how to kill shit, and you put them in the damn. And so that's what I'm saying, and so it's just like, imagine the level of humbleness he had to have to walk that whole play thing like he stayed with it. Like you know, I don't give a fuck where. I don't give a fuck who passed class, I'm gonna pass, right, I don't give a fuck where y'all put me, I'm gonna work. Because you remember, the lady was like everybody's talking about how great of a job that you do. Yeah, the white lady that walked him down, yeah, giving him the, the, the gym. Yeah, she's taking him behind the camera. Right, you know what I'm saying.

Chris: 24:08

That's being effective, but in his mind because he said that somewhere in the movie in his mind he always still seen himself as the nigga in the cia. He never saw himself as a part of them. That's just that's, carl, keeping it with yourself. You know what I'm keeping. Real with itself. Yeah, and he kept it so real that he stayed there five years, right, doing nothing, literally, didn't give him no assignments.

Chris: 24:34

He was in a copy room walking people around, guest and shit for five years. He was like I'm done with this shit, some bullshit. I want to be a social worker. He said I rather go back to chicago, man, or his ella murders, I'd rather go back to the hood and be a social worker, which we found out later. He was basically lying about. He never became a social worker, not, at least not how they thought he was, because remember when he shook this the cia director's hand, when he left he said at his own mouth I'm about to go show black people how to be, how to act, how to be like me. So the white dude was like yes, you can show them the way. He thinking he gonna go back to chicago and make a black utopia.

Chris: 25:22

He, he was looking at him like I don't give a fuck where you go, get the fuck out of this office. He was happy. We never wanted you in here anyway, and if you want to leave, I'll sign whatever to get you out the door. Yeah, he just wanted him out of there and he wanted him out there from the very beginning. He didn't want him in from the beginning, but even when he got in, he was just like we just got to figure out a way to get him up out of there. What's weird? Now I'm going to get to another character, his, his college girlfriend Joy.

Chris: 25:49

The problem I had with Joy. I only got one nitpick in this movie. I feel like her character Didn't really serve her. He was knocking her down. The whole movie is like three or four scenes where he was having sex. She was married at one point in time to a doctor, a whole nother dude. He was smashing steel. That's me. Is this the doctor? Yeah, he said. Is he a doctor? Yeah, he a doctor. Well, I'm still gonna hit it to the point to where, when she, when she broke, when she officially broke up with him and said I'm getting ready to get married to the doctor, blah, blah, blah, he said well, let's go out with a bang. He took that wig off and he smashed again. It's like that's what I'm saying. So I don't understand. This is what I don't understand.

Chris: 26:34

You had a female interest with the homie queen, who really had an important part. She was dropping gems. Joy didn't really have an important part in his life. That made a difference in what he was trying to do Like the homie Queen D, no, so.

Chris: 26:52

So now you got to look at it like that. She was just the college sweetheart that could. They couldn't let each other go. They couldn't let each matter of fact, his partner, dawson, said that he's like, like y'all just can't leave each other alone, like, oh, I guess not what I feel about that when you put it like that is her purpose was it has to be a negative and a positive. Okay, in society, joy was what he supposed to be. Fucking correct, correct, that's his high school. But really, the Dahomey queen is the one who would really fuck. Yeah, because she said if I would get in some stuff, I think he'd be there. Yeah, she did say that. She told the cia guy that.

Chris: 27:34

So so look at that, like when you see their president, remember he was messing with that sister, was a young sister, bingo, the baby sister. It's the negative and the positive, yeah. And then you see, but how is she a positive? Real, she was fucking what, she was married. She was the negative oh, she was a name. Okay, I thought she was the queen was the past. Okay, okay, okay, we on the same page.

Chris: 27:56

Because, because she didn't rat him out, she said he was solid. Yeah, the high school sweetheart wasn't supposed to rat him out and she did, she did in the end she did. You see, and I didn't see that coming. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm smashing you this whole time. You married, clearly, you love me at some, to some extent, and you die me out. That's how this shit is like.

Chris: 28:19

I didn't see that coming as a bill. I did not see that coming and I and I don't know where that came from for her to do that to him, because she, she seemed to be down for him no matter what he was doing in life. She was always be there for him. So I didn't see where that came from, where she would just do him like that. Like that kind of didn't make no sense to me. He starts spooking her and when he start really getting into the business, he had to catch himself, like you know, and so she's a square, she, like you know what's getting into him. He start talking like this and they show how, like it always women brought down like empires and shit. Yeah, that's a fact and I was gonna say I was gonna say that with this.

Chris: 29:08

But when you think about the thing about this movie that makes it a great movie, or to me, the champ of like, like black people movies, or you know, I mean the ultimate militant shit, because we won. Yeah, at the end, at the end of the movie, it was still going on. That's what scared I think, that's what scared the fbi and cia. You're not gonna get that. He had them winning at it. If the black people got slaughtered, they'd be like play this movie everywhere. That's not what happened at the end of this movie.

Chris: 29:41

Listen, give that type of thought to these youngsters right now. Yeah, we talking mass chaos and confusion. You know what I'm saying unstoppable, because it's like, again, it's it's about how they perceive it. They could not really get the message all the way. They could just look at it and just, you know how you skim through a book and be like I know what it's talking about. Yeah, they'll do that, but you really don't. All they get from this shit is hey, man, we need to go break into the uh, the army base and go steal a crate full of aka, right, oh, yeah, now you know what's crazy was like he.

Chris: 30:25

He worked for the cia for five years in the copy room, took all that punishment, uh, I would say more, uh, mental abuse, because nobody really never did nothing to. He left, went to chicago. He told him he was going to chicago to help black people, which should have been a positive. The director still told his crony, we got to watch him, keep surveillance on him. That's fucked up, bro. He been your slave for five years. A good slave tells you he's going to teach the black people how to be good slaves, and you still don't trust him. He was like oh, we got to keep eye on him. That stems from you slipped past us the first time. You, motherfucker, that's a good point. Now it's just like who? Now? You made the scouting report right. You had that good game. You put 50. You put 50 on the board. We're watching you. Now. We're talking about you like ant, like ant man. You went and did that right. Even dallas like yahoo, I don't know. Gotta watch it won't be like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, new scouting report.

Chris: 31:37

So now the next scene they at the pool hall, he's at the pool and uh, dean comes in there and they kind of like check, like you can't be on our table, blah, blah, blah. And he just like gotta leave, you, gotta leave whatever. And say, yeah, they call him a soldier, which means they was kind of up on who he was and what he was trying to do and he basically like no, I'm not going nowhere. I want to say he brought up, let's take this to the alley, yeah. And it was in. The white dude was like no, you need to go that way, out the front door. And he basically like no, I'm not going nowhere. I want to say he brought up, let's take this to the alley, yeah. And the white dude was like no, you need to go that way, out the front door. He's like no, we need to go to the alley. He put the stick down, he walks out there, but he immediately gets in a fighting stance behind. He tucks, gets down, he ready to whoop three motherfuckers asses right in an air. And on the last dude he was like the last dude started talking shit like oh, you ain't fighting, you ain't fighting fair. Next time when we got a gun, we'll see you got your piece, we go have our piece, yeah.

Chris: 32:38

So this is kind of where the pivot changes, because he said, instead of y'all out here doing all this wild shit, basically I can teach you how to do what you need to do to take over the government, basically. And you seen what I just did to you three motherfuckers easily. I could have killed all three on the alley, could have murdered them in alley, nobody would even care because nobody came outside to help them. The pool was full of people. Them three dudes could have been stomping his head in. Nobody came outside to see what had happened. It's crazy that nobody went out. Well, he did. He did it real slick. So I was about to say because nowadays, you know, motherfuckers would have been out there just to put they phones up. You know what I'm saying. Nowadays, yeah, they've been putting they phones up.

Chris: 33:25

But again, I like the whole shit down to the name of the character, daniel Daniel Friedman. He proved to show humbleness when he needed to. He stayed focused and he was strategic about it because he had to know what pool articles. That's true, that's a good point. You had to know what pool articles. What table is they table? Yeah, what you're saying is he had this plan all the way from the beginning. Absolutely, because, think about it, because, think about it, he walked it all the way down. That's deep. Okay, seeing like you have to think.

Chris: 34:03

At what point did he say in his personal life I'm going to be a CIA and like and know that's the way to go. You know what I mean. How did you know that they were even hiring black people? You know what I'm saying. And then for you to be a fucking like third degree black belt and they don't even fucking know that, right, you come in there and beat the motherfucking instructor ass. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, because he's trying to bully him. You know. Yeah, we don't like your kind. He straight up told him that too. Yeah, we don't like your kind. And and when and when he graduated that was the dude that was on the side. You know what I'm saying and felt it's just like so for him to get his black belt, go for the CIA shit.

Chris: 34:55

Humble himself, work in the mail room. Quit that, fay. Go be in social work, go to the motherfucking pool hall and be on the table. You know what I mean. That's a lot of motherfucking. That's a lot of moves. Yeah, it's a lot of studying. A lot of chess moves. Yeah, it's a lot of chess. Yeah, you're doing your due diligence of moves. Yeah, it's a lot of study, a lot of chess moves. Yeah, it's a lot of studying. Yeah, you, you, you're doing your due diligence. Yeah, yeah, you don't. And for it to be working right. Everything worked. Yeah, everything worked.

Chris: 35:19

Yeah, because he eventually the same dudes he got into it. He eventually trained them and several other dudes from the hood on hand-to-hand combat, explosives, building bombs, mcgyver style, uh, gunplay. Just he trained them all how to do all this that he learned in the cia. You know I'm saying so. He was true about his word when he, when he first got into, when it went in the alley, telling him like I'm gonna show you how to do this the correct way, right, because he knew that if you're not properly trained, you're gonna get slaughtered out there by the military. You know what's a another dope thing like since we talking about it like I like that we're talking about it because it's kind of like when you look at a movie, you see different shit in different night. Yeah, so now we're talking about and I'm playing it in my mind but you know where he went wrong. Where trust home is close to people think about shit, joy, yeah, those people that's not supposed to right, false whatsoever.

Chris: 36:23

And there was one point in the movie where he told one of the freedom fighters that the military also has people that look like them. You got to be willing to kill them. You got to kill. You might have to kill another black man to help black people and you cannot flinch. Yeah, he is the opposition, he is the enemy, he's working with the white man, quote, unquote. And he got to go just like another white military dude and and he was like the moment you flinch, I'm gonna kill you. You gotta be down for the cause. You ever kill a man, willie, I have right. I he let him know. You ever kill a man, willie, I have. He didn't even wait on him to answer it like nigga, I know you ain't killed nobody. Now, peep this. Now we gonna really get into this because this is the one that it even fucked my wife up.

Chris: 37:17

She saw me re-watching the movie and asked me about this pretty willie, oh, a clear white man, blue eyes, the whole shit thought he was a black african man. He had the tribe, shit on his wall, fucking spears and shit on his wall because freeman was took one off the walls playing with and shit like that. Him and freeman got into it because freeman wanted to be the propaganda person. You know he basically understood what freeman was trying to the, the position Freeman was trying to put him in because he was white. He goes off on a tangent I'm a nigga just like you, the police going to shoot me in the back of my head because I'm a nigga just like you, and the whole time I'm going. Does he think he's white because he's hanging with black people or does he? Or is he like Creole? I think he was me, it real did he look mixed man? He looked like a white dude. But here's my thing when I've seen creole people or people that is mixed, but they can really something is different that make you go. They might have some black in.

Chris: 38:23

This dude had straight hair, blue eyes. He looked clearly like white and that's what messed up my wife when she walked by and I was watching, like why is this dude? Got on a die cheeky and a damn koofy and shit. Like, like I said, baby, I don't know, but I'm about to get into this because I need to find out. Does he actually think he's black or is he black because there's a difference? If he was black, let's say, you know he like a drake, but even drake looks black. Drake looks like a black man, just light skin.

Chris: 38:51

This dude didn't look like a black man, he looked like a straight up white dude. So it was weird watching him say I'm a nigga like you and I'm gonna get shot in the back, okay, so let's, let's just the elephant in the room. You don't look like a black man, so the police wouldn't even treat you the same way. That's what got freeman mad. Like you're not even understanding. You don't even look like me, right? If anybody's gonna get in, it's gonna be you. Even if you're, even if you got black ancestors somewhere in your dna, you still look like a white man.

Chris: 39:21

I think that's what his thing was like. Y'all motherfuckers don't know. My great, great, great great grandfather, that's what it was. That's a good boy, and so because it's like maybe somewhere down the line somebody was black in his family, yeah, and they passed that, that lineage, on to him and he took it to heart, but he was still not understanding that visually he looks like a white person, so a policeman would not treat him the same way as everybody else, and that's what was during that conversation. That's what was during that conversation. That's what him and freeman was really getting into it about. He was seeing himself as a chocolate black man and freeman was was like no, you're doing the propaganda. Part of this, all it is. Because you're a white person, you can get away with the bullshit. Yeah, he didn't want. He didn't want that type of smoke, though. He wanted to get treated just like every other dark-skinned dude. Yeah, I'm in a struggle. You see me with struggle. You see me with a dashiki.

Chris: 40:19

Hey, back in the days I had, I had a girl that I was messing with and all my friends, when I would bring it to the black, they was like, oh, you got the white girl, but it was like her daddy was black but he was mixed with white. Oh, so he was like a elder bars looking mom, okay, okay, but her mama was blind, hair, blue eye, so she looked white. Bingo, okay, got you. But her daddy, I met her daddy. Her daddy was black, got you. You know I'm saying, just a yellow dude. You know what I'm saying. I be thinking about that. So you're saying there are situations where somebody can look 100% white and be black and she only like black dudes. Yeah, she only fuck with her brother. You know what I'm saying.

Chris: 41:11

When we would see her in in that white girl. You know what I'm saying. Like, you know when you. You know you brutally honest. That's malia, that's it. That's it. You know what I'm saying.

Chris: 41:24

Yeah, with dude, though it was crazy how at that scene when he blew up on him like that the next scene you seen it with the wally in the hand yeah, he was effective. Again, he got hey, just like the dahomey queen. The next time we seen her, she was ball-headed. Yeah, the next time we seen willie, he had a gun in his hand, yeah, pulling off whatever heist he's on. You know what I'm saying?

Chris: 41:52

Willie was with the shit, right, he was fully with the shit, and I think his thing was more of a respect thing. Like you're gonna respect me, like you respect the dark skin, bro, that's it. Don't treat me different. Don't treat me different because I look like I'm white, because I feel like I'm in the struggle with y'all. I'm willing to die with y'all.

Chris: 42:08

What willie wasn't understanding was like to the world, you're a white man, so the police will not fuck with you the same way they fuck with your contemporary. It just wouldn't happen because visually you just don't look the part. But sometimes you have a situation like that where white people might I'm not saying that they look at like that, but he could be stuck in the middle, us as black people. Like white, you're white, yeah, yeah, we just put him as white. Boom, no, the white people look, no, you've been, you've been tampered with, you got niggas, you a little bit gotcha, gotcha, you see what I'm saying. So he is in the middle, yeah, and they'll treat, they'll treat you like that, like you know what I'm saying, gotcha.

Chris: 42:51

I believe that they like in them time because, like, when you think about it, my mother, when she was in school, they had just, they had just had segregation, like they ended right. But she was saying she used to be chased home by white, like I believe, yeah, so I believe. So you got to think about it, and my parents were fully in segregation. You see what I'm saying Fully. So now think about the average white person in that age group. What do you mean? So if she was, if my mother was getting chased by my white boys after school, that means like people in her age group came up in separate gates and they came up with that type of thing. Yeah, that's, that's how teacher, yeah, the average, the average white lady came up like in that, you know what I'm saying, yeah, and and then when the teachers, the white teachers, we would have had as little kids bingo up in that bingo got you and and their kids is eating. I would correct. You see what I'm saying. That's deep, so, so, so you know. But you have some that's not with that type of thinking and they, like you know, we're not fucking. Yeah, I'm a nigga too. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, because now you got that, you got mexicans, asians, everybody saying nick right, because they even white boys. Yeah, that's why boys are saying it, that's what I'm saying, and it's not they not looking at it like the slave, meaning it's a term of endearment. Yeah, I'm rebellious, I'm fucked with. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So shit is praying you, man, yep.

Chris: 44:36

So now we get into where he reconnects with his another college friend, dawson right, who is not really explained what he does, but we know he works with the police. I don't think he's a policeman, though he don't got on a badge or nothing. I think he's working within the department or something. I think he was a big dog, okay, one of the big dogs. Okay, he was. So he's working with the, the police, to help simmer down the black folks that are tripping off police, shooting black people, blah, blah, blah. So when they reconnect, he's assuming that freeman is on some community positivity, right, he has no fucking idea, right, that this is the guy, this is the dude who, who they called the movie the tom, right, they all looking for the tom who's trying to flip this shit upside down.

Chris: 45:31

At least to me, it's unclear whether Freeman and Dawson felt the same way when they were in college or during their separation. Freeman started feeling a certain way about the government and Dawson started feeling a certain way about the government, cause it seemed like at some point in time they were the same type of dude. That's why he said I haven't heard you talk like that since high school, correct? Yeah, you know they were. I think they was both young militant because, again, segregation, right, so we in this together, right, you know what I mean when we separate we, we got our own ideas about how we could make it work, right, and dogs, I feel he, he went that route and that was the time, because the dude that asked daniel freeman in the beginning what kind of time are you right? What kind? Yeah, yeah, it was like I guess I'm, I'm the same as you you said none of us want to picture our own militancy, would we? He was like I guess the same as you, but I just don't try to have it both ways, right? You know what I mean. Fucking him up, like you know what I'm saying. Like, what are you talking about? You're the biggest time in this, motherfucker. You know what I mean. And so that shit was deep mean, and so that's you with deep, yeah, so so it was just just a lot of lugs up in that movie and you'd be like, damn, oh. So freeman is now at this point, after meeting with dawson, they have their little meet up. Hey, it's good to see you. Blah, blah, blah.

Chris: 47:04

Freeman is actually organizing other groups. I think they were called the cobras. Yeah, yeah, in the, in the Freeman, the uh, the freedom fighters. The Cobras was, when they was in it, the pool, right. So he's organizing them. He's having org different organizations across different cities. He's talking to some of his dudes as under him and they saying, no, we got some dudes in Boston, we got some dudes in Boston, we got some dudes over here, new Orleans, they got hitters in New Orleans. So he's really, you know, upscaling everything he's trying to do to a faster rate to get it done.

Chris: 47:40

It still feels like at this point in the film he doesn't know when he's going to press that button. You still don't really know when this shit is about to happen, right. But you can see it is boiling now it's boiling. It is boiling now it's boiling, it's boiling, it's boiling and he's getting kind of closer to the top. He even strategized to where they all knew that if the leader got killed, everybody slides up in place. If I'm gone, the next up, you the leader. Now everybody goes up and up and up because the army do it. That's how the army do it. Because he understood that they're to pick people off from the top. Right, you know what I'm saying. Like they don't, they don't go in for my head first, right. So people got to be able to lead, which means you got to know what your leader does. You become the leader, right, which means at some point in time he must have taught them pretty much everything that he knows so they could take over, just in case he gets key correct, like you said, similar to the military. Right, you got to know what the general doing. You'd be the damn gym, right. It was kind of dope in that way seeing that.

Chris: 48:41

But then we get to a part where they steal a bus, they bring it to a military base I'm assuming this is it's in chicago, we don't really know, but I'm assuming this is chicago and they break it to the military base. They take all these weapons and shit and ak's and you know m16s and all this other stuff and they take it back to their hideout and now they celebrate because they feel they have. They have an advantage now because they're already highly trained by cia, cia agent. Now they got the weaponry to understand, you know, to understand that they can. They can fight fire with fire, because the same military people that rolled through chicago with the tanks had the same guns that they have now. So now it's more of a fair fight. The difference is they've been trained by cia because, if you notice, when the military came through, they molded motherfuckers down like a knife through a hot knife through butter. Yeah, like it was simple. Because he talked to him about angles, you know, top of the roof, elevated positions, how far the distance the bullet travels, like he was giving him game that even some of the military dudes probably didn't even understand. Right Part about that. So when we talk about directing right.

Chris: 49:57

Next time I see the movie it's going to make me zero in on how did y'all get access to that base? Like that? Who turned y'all on Right? That's a hell of a move. That's a hell of a move. That's a hell of a move Like you do that. That's the move that changed the war around because they got the. They got the weaponry Absolutely, and so it's like that's a hell of a leap right.

Chris: 50:20

That's a part of, like I said, when you make it moves on your own, especially in the seventies, you don't have the funds to put in everything to to play it out. That's a part that if they had the money, they could have showed you how they got to connect in there, whether it's through a woman junkie. That's what I'm saying. If y'all have enough time to throw the negative chick in there, y'all should have showed something, or maybe we just didn't pick up pump. That's why, instead of showing four times or he's smashing the negative chick they show one scene, like with them getting the end on the military bank bingo, because we don't know how that even happened. Bingo, like like, yeah, in hindsight now you got me thinking about it. It's like, how did y'all get that lit. Yeah, how did you get it?

Chris: 51:08

And that's the whole point of this podcast is to show you that even great movies have flaws. Yeah, sometimes the flaws come down to the screenwriting, and sometimes it comes down to the budget, and sometimes it comes down to the time it was made 1973. They might not have been as critical on every aspect of a movie, like we are now right, so it might have just been something that they didn't think was a big deal. Hey, we're just gonna take over military base 2024. I mean, you have a conversation about how the hell y'all even get the end on the military base, right, like, yeah, could you explain that? Right, right, right, right. Yeah, we just poking holes in the web, but yeah, it's just petty stuff, but it matters now.

Chris: 51:50

So this is what I will say that I dig about that whole shit is because I look at that, like when I do my music. You know what I mean. You know how some motherfuckers just they perfection. You know what I mean. Like they talk about like dre and eminent, like they, oh, yeah, they would like hear how you say one word like just a million times. Yeah, you know what I mean Perfectionist, yeah, so that's who the bottom line, me and you seen this right, we got this. Oh, yeah for sure. I remember my dude told me some shit like a while ago, man, when I was I was trying to do this song, and he said you always want to walk away knowing that you got the job done. Yeah, it was like the job done mean that they can listen to that song one time and know what the fuck you talking about. Yeah, if they could remember certain shit in the song, that's great. But for the most part, I should be able to play a song to you and you know, and when I leave, you could tell wifey that nigga Real came over. He played a song. It's called Spend the Night. You know what I mean.

Chris: 53:05

So, although the director didn't let us know how the fuck they got in that bait, the message is still there. Oh yeah, yeah, the message is still there. Yeah, the message is still there. So is it really important? It's probably not, and I think I'm just a stickler, but I want to know how you got. I want to go from A, b to C to D, all the way down to Z. It's probably not important. It's more important than the bitch putting the wig on. Thank you, thank you, oh my God. So I will.

Chris: 53:42

I don't know if the director's still living. I like the director's go. Matter of fact, the only person that's still alive, if I'm not mistaken, is dawson, really dawson, like almost 90. I think everybody else is gone, like literally gone. The director, the main, everybody. I think dawson is only that's alive. He's like right at the end and a lot of them people have been gone for years, like yeah, they've been gone. Yeah, you know, because it's 1973. So anybody that was in their 40s and 50s back then they gone. I was about to say they was grown. Yeah, they was grown, grown back then. So they kind of they out of here.

Chris: 54:17

So now we get to the police is chasing a young black man through an alley, gun him down. They gun him down. Honestly, that's kind of how policing used to be. They didn't really chase you down. If they chase you enough to an open area where they can shoot you in the back, police used to shoot people in the back. That was like normal policing back then. If you think about it in 2024, that's crazy. I'm running from you because I'm selling drug. Okay, cool, that's illegal. You're trying to catch me. But since you can't catch me, you're gonna shoot me in the back 50 yards away. That's why they say that's how they used to do people hey, stop or I'll shoot. That's exactly now. And they, they, they not feeling it. They don't say that, yeah, you gotta get your ass in a whole lot of trouble. But you know what's crazy, like I'm thinking about Stop or I'll shoot, like how we was saying Dawes and Danny had to be like this at a certain point.

Chris: 55:14

Yeah, they had to be Right. But when that popped off, he was like he's going to start over a jive ass drug dealer. You know what I mean? That's how he looked at that. That's how he. He didn't look at it that way. That's how he looked at that. And Danny wasn't looking at it. And in 2024 that equals a punk ass nigga. It's all gonna start over a punk ass nigga. You feel me? What he whipped out? He whipped out pistol when they dog. Yeah, he did. Oh, he wasn't playing about the dog. Yeah, he was like get them dogs up out of here. Whipped out. So yeah, he was. He was not. Dawson was about that life too.

Chris: 55:57

The problem I had with dawson was like he was on the fence because he wanted to help his people, but he didn't understand that what Freeman was was trying to do was what actually was going to help his people. Right, all that fucking Kumbaya, we shall overcome shit. That doesn't. It's never worked for black people, right. That has never history. If they had to work together, it would have been phenomenal. Thank you, it would have been phenomenal, thank you, it would have been great Because Dawson would have been on the inside. Given that good inside information, they would have been able to conquer the world that way. But Dawson, like I said, he played defense. Dawson really wanted to help his people, but he was on the side that really couldn't help his people. He was with the wrong team. That was wrote kind of cleverly right there.

Chris: 56:44

When you think about it, because when you watch the movie, it sends you on a roller coaster. It does and and it's like is dogs gonna help? Yeah, you know what I mean. All the way up to the end, you like is he, is he gonna help? Is he gonna help? Yeah, what was dope about it was he played a part in getting it through, pretty willie and then mine. This is what the fuck I'm talking. Yeah, this is how serious I am about this shit. This is what's gonna happen, what can happen. You know what I'm saying? Well, hold on before we get to that part.

Chris: 57:18

Before we get to that part when the young team gets shot, that's when we see dawson and freeman have a serious, uh argument in the car about what they act, what actually is cracking off here in these streets. Yeah, freeman trying to tell him dude, you gotta, you gotta, pick a side man. Yeah, like you can't be out here playing cop, but you're trying to be on my side at the same time. So they have a real black man argument as friends, but a real argument like, bro, you got to make a freeman basically tell him you need to make the right choice, right. And dawson is saying motherfucker, I've made my choice. So you're going, you had to deal with it or don't, I've made my choice. That's what sent his antennas up. That right, correct, that's what's in his antennas when he Right Correct. That's what sent his antennas up when he was talking like that, because it was too much of him dipping into that character Right, correct. And then catching himself like, okay, it's cool, but I heard what you just said. You know what I'm saying, yeah, and then.

Chris: 58:18

So now we get to the part where they jump that riot. Well, first of all, when they kill the team and Freeman and Dawson have that argument, the riot jumps off in the streets, total chaos in Chicago and everything. So the white boy, willie and the rest of the crew, they say it was time to jump the war off. The first thing to do is blow up the mayor's office and say the mayor's office is now air conditioned. Straight up, say that's some cold shit right there. Straight up, man, they air conditioned this shit. They say it's on, we started from the top, we blowing up his office and the war starts.

Chris: 59:00

So they bring in the tanks. You know they, they do the whole military invasion thing. So they bring in the tanks. You know they, uh, they do the whole military, uh, invasion thing. They bring in the tanks, military people and stuff. But what the military didn't expect was how coordinated and well adapted these guys from the hood was through the cia training from freeman and when they came through them streets, they they got mowed down bro, like roaches with rays. They got mowed down. It was kind of weird seeing that because I'm like they got tanks, guns and all these explosives and these dudes from the hood is just they taking advantage of angles and heights and shit like that, they throwing grenades. They was ready for war. They, freeman, had them ready.

Chris: 59:41

Yeah, because the average motherfucker that's not trained is gonna see that tank get, get placed on feet, go, get up out of here, grab everything and get the fuck. Oh, that's the show. And they looking at it like, oh, we know exactly what to do with that. Yeah, a tank is very intimidating if you think about it. Fucking right, do you know, like these motherfuckers in the town, like they shooting this shit, let a tank come down Broadway. It don't even got to hit the news. It don't no, like, let a tank come rolling down Broadway. It's East Oakland. So, motherfucker, yeah, motherfuckers, going to be out there with camera work, get it. Don't let it be something on social media where it's showing footage tank coming down the drop.

Chris: 1:00:34

The danger about a tank is like it's already. You see it as impenetrable, but it's like it could just be rolling straight down the street. Once that, once that head, the gunhead started to swivel, motherfuckers going to start running. You better believe the funk is on. You better believe turning and aiming. Now people's getting the fuck out of Dodge when they see it, it could be the hardest dude on the block. It could be 80 dudes on the block, they all running, if that head of the gun starts swiveling. They wait, nobody's that tough, they nobody fuck on when they gone. When they hear it correct, when they hear them wheels turning change, yeah, that motherfucker coming. This way, motherfuckers gonna get gone, like they heard godzilla coming. That's a fact. That's a fact.

Chris: 1:01:24

So now and this was a part of the movie, maybe you got their perspective they break into a base again, they kidnapped the colonel and they put him in blackface. What do you think that was about? Because I'm like, what part of the game is that? I forgot what he had said to him. But then remember they had Yacamella, alpafor, mm-hmm, and they painted his face black. And remember it was martial law so nobody could be outside. God should send to the outside. And so the people looking, they thought it was a black dude. They make popping. Yeah, the mil I mean, the military didn't pop them, the freedom fighters popped them, which was kinda weird. It's like I thought the whole point was he could get shot by his own military, but I didn't fucking snipe them from the roof Like there you go, we got, got them up out of here. Now, hey, y'all we done.

Chris: 1:02:25

Blew up the mayor's office, sacked this motherfucker in his face. Now, think about that. Think about how social media would be if they found a white politician dead with his face hanging black. That's deep. What Do you know how fucking the terrorist alert would go up to dead, mike, no, hold on. You paint a motherfucker face black. It's already gonna be crazy from a politician, but you paint his face black. It's already gonna be crazy from a politician, but you paint his face black.

Chris: 1:03:04

Well, I mean, look at the hell that Drake caught, when they caught them, photos of him with the black face. He's just a rapper and it was like oh, you want it ill, you think this is funny because you have white and I forgot all about that. Yeah, drake, and it was real. It wasn't like some fake shit or some internet shit. He painted his face black. But that's the mentality of somebody who's on the fence. He doesn't understand from a black perspective. That's disrespectful as fuck to do that. But because he's half black, half white, he thinks there's just something funny to do. That's, there's nothing funny about that, hey, but I did it? Not to get on that shit between mckendrick like that, but just real quick.

Chris: 1:03:47

My friend was asking what I thought about that and I was like when, it's just like a boxing match. My fucking youtube is certain blows, that scope determine what. When you, I said but one thing, I said the one word. I was like, I was like the pedophile name that's one on the streets of Marfocon, you pedophile, you ain't a pedophile, get your ass me here. It's a whole different thing, like calling up Colin Heisen. And that brought me back to history class and I was like y'all like how do you address that? He can't. And it's just like he goes right to what my father's asking about Jay and Nas. I was like Nas won, they're like no, I'm not Jay. I said he said one thing and that called the hell. That just you're calling my cred and I didn't eat in my gutters. That's the ultimate weenie, right. Why are you caught? How did you get that gutter? How did you? How did you get into the basement? Yeah, no. And so it's just like yeah, man, that's what I'm saying.

Chris: 1:05:03

Back to what we talking about paint a motherfucking face black. That's gonna be considered some new shit, a hate crime or you know what I mean. I'm glad you brought that up because that, going into the future, that's gonna be seen almost like some Hitler type shit. Paint somebody face black, that's going to be seeing all like some Hitler type shit. Man, yeah, paint somebody's face black, that's different shit, that's terrorist activity, that's some different shit, like you know what I mean. Like the white community would be living yeah, you don't understand. That's the same thing. Like the black community feeling a certain way. A black politician, not killed in this phase, got painted white. You know what I mean. What does this mean?

Chris: 1:05:51

So we get to the part now where the homie queen comes to visit Freeman one last time and she tells him that she's sleeping basically with his old boss. And she tells him that his old boss talks about Freeman all the time that he was his perfect nigga. And you could tell Freeman is holding in frustration and kind of anger of hearing that, because he kind of always knew it that they thought of him that way, like a good nigga. But to hear him, to hear her say that, he tells her that pillow talking, oh, free was a good nigga. Like you know, he kind of it definitely rubbed in the wrong way.

Chris: 1:06:31

Right, you know I'm saying, but to back to your point, though, the only queen was a pill, a poor party who, because she was dropping those type of gems, as opposed to joy, his, his ex-girlfriend she wasn't dropping no gems, she was dropping drawers, like that's the only thing with dropping gems. Right, that's the Joy, is the pretty girl, she's the pretty girl. Right that to me, who wants to be taken care of by a doctor? Bingo. That's why, to me, why Lauren Yell was so important to the hip-hop game. When she came out and they was she deep with her out, because everything that's going on right now, like with female rappers and shit, she was telling them on that thing, you ain't got to do that, correct, and she was looking bad. Yeah, back then, lord, it was, yeah, top notch, top notch, man, and that's what I'm saying.

Chris: 1:07:26

Like, even in the 70s, me get, look at the mic. Right, we talk about bill. Yeah, oh, good times. The homie queen made it, not that, and I have makeup on. He said thank you, normally, and she cut her hair off. So it's hella mess, just it.

Chris: 1:07:44

Well, you know what's weird about it? Like, I watched about five movies within the last week from the 70s and I almost shed a tear because it made me miss those times when women were real, absolutely so, used to seeing huge asses that don't even look real, huge titties on women, super small waist Face, done Nose in place, all this other shit that when I watch these movies I'm like that's what I grew up seeing a woman as, come on, man, full of fear, nice shape. Our mothers, our grandmothers, all of them Aunties and sisters yeah, sister friends. And like it's grandmothers, all of aunties and sisters, yeah, sister friends. And like is this crazy? Because, yeah, of course, because people will say it was big women.

Chris: 1:08:30

Back then. We always had a big mom, there was always a big girl around, but the majority of women around you were not big women. They were all 150, 140. They were slim women. Women were slimmer back then. They didn't even go to the gym. They just didn't spend a lot of time sitting at home, desk jobs, eating and stuff like that.

Chris: 1:08:50

It was like women looked different in their natural form in the 70s. If you look at art in a teen's life, if you look at all the movies back then, all of them were the same sizes. Most of them were the same size, like I said maybe 150 pounds. A big woman would be 170 pounds, but you rarely see a 300-pound woman. In the 70s, I just didn't see that. So when I watch these movies I'm like.

Chris: 1:09:20

It took me back to like damn, that was how women used to look, even during the late 70s, early 80s. My mother was a big woman. She had got diabetes and stuff like that. She was like 240. And that was a huge woman for them. You got women.

Chris: 1:09:36

Now, that's getting 300s, bro, they get 300 pounds plus. Yeah, that's kind of normal. Now, yeah, this world, they get 300 pounds plus. Yeah, that's kind of normal. Now, yeah, it's, it's. It's that food? Um, processed food yeah, like, shit is different.

Chris: 1:09:48

And like, when I went to the dominican republic, I was just tripping off but I didn't see no weak chick out there, see, and what I noticed was when I was eating the food, it was a lot of meat and vegetables. You really wasn't getting a sandwich or like it might have some life or something. You know what I'm saying but for the most part meat, vegetables and shit like that. And I was just. I have a certain point. I was just looking around, I'm looking at the female and I'm like, even if they thick, they don't got no waist.

Chris: 1:10:27

They don't got no waist. They still have a nice size to them. Their ass might be hella big. It's like them girls you look at. She got a big girl. Then when she take it off, it's like they got no weight. Right, I just have hips, yeah, titties might not even be that big, what they would call just a full-figured woman, a normal full-figured woman, right. And it's weird when you see these movies. It's like it just makes you remember how women used to be, all the women I grew up with were, even just makes you remember how women used to be. All the women I grew up with were even a full figure, once had a shape. It was a shape, right, and all that's kind of you know, changed over the years. It's kind of weird how it is, but, but anyway we get to.

Chris: 1:11:13

We get to the part to where freeman and his ex-girlfriend have an argument about the war she's getting on his head, about. Oh, you used to be like this and this and this and this, and that she basically told him went to meet up with Dawson, tells Dawson everything he needs to know to put it together like oh, my homie is the one who is doing all this shit. He's the leader. She snitched, yeah, she snitched. So Dawson waits into Freeman's house, waits for him with a gun. They have a confrontation, they talk to each other, tell each other whatever they're going to, tell each other about the war and why this is happening and stuff like that, and basically get into a fight. Freeman stabs Dawson. Yeah, freeman stabs Dawson. Yeah, freeman stabs Dawson. Dawson shoots Freeman. So we don't know how that plays out in the end.

Chris: 1:12:07

And it was good, you think it was good, you happy with that, because they had doctors, that's true, that's true. That was coming to the house, yeah, and they said sleep him up. I think that's true, that's true. Yeah, it was. He was, he was, he was all planned now. So freeman kills his best friend, dawson calls the fellas over, they roll his ass up in a you know, I think, a bed sheet or something. I'll bling it off the bed, a rug, tell him to take his ass out. He basically that's where he says the part she was talking about, where he tells him like this is how serious I am about this shit. I want to kill my best friend, for this war to happen, for us to get this balance back for black people against society, against the government, stuff like that. And if you ain't dedicated enough to do it like this, you get the fuck home. You get the fuck home. That's great. That shit was serious. It's the best teaching.

Chris: 1:13:11

I was watching the Chi Phi part three, so good. Yeah, they had the scene where Andy Garcia came in. I mean, the dudes came in trying to ride him or something. He was in there with a chick, right, and they was like hey, let my friend go out and kill a chick. And he's like I don't even know her. And he told dude, he was like, pay attention to what I'm about to do. And he shot him in the head. And dude, that was the example. Yeah, so that's the best teacher like for them hey, he's what he said. He's like that was your man. Yeah, yeah, don't do a fuck about him. Yeah, that motherfucker, he woke me up. He got to go right.

Chris: 1:13:57

I feel like freeman knew at some point in time it might come to that. I think the whole time he had with Dawson reconnecting, he started hearing how Dawson was really feeling about this whole thing. I feel like he kind of knew like it might come down to me killing him Because him's on the other side, right? It wouldn't come to that as long as he don't know Correct and he would never let him know who he is at the business. Wow, fuck it, it's me and you. You know what I mean. You see, it's coming down. You know what I'm saying. It's coming down to this and I can't let you fuck up when I'm trying to. Yeah, under no circumstances. Yeah, under no circumstances.

Chris: 1:14:38

Yeah, as a leader of a group that he was leading, that was very extreme, extremely militant. There's no better example he could have given than his dead best friend on the brink. What else could you tell him? Like this is how dedicated I am, which also means I killed one of y'all motherfuckers. Chris, you gotta think about what the conversation would be with Dawson in the back of the car and they ride him and take him to death from somewhere. Yeah, now, as a director. I'm glad you brought that up. That would have actually been dope to see that on a director's cut, the conversation that they would have, dumping off Dawson's body about Freeman, because you know they would have a lot of shit to say. Oh, you know it would be a hell of a conversation, but when, how we ended and how shit was happening.

Chris: 1:15:36

Let you know that, whatever it was, it was effective. Effective, oh yeah, the revolution started. Yeah, because they say the reporter says I'm like we have a revolution going on in oakland. He literally says oakland, right. So we know that's going into the black panthers, that's running to that whole situation. So whatever freeman would try to do, it worked, it worked. So I'm glad they ended it that way because it's kind of like, oh, so we never get to see how it all played out. We just know that the revolution started and every city that that freeman wanted it to start in.

Chris: 1:16:11

Nobody can show me a gangster movie or just a movie that's fucking with that mo, like that, like you know what I'm saying, a serious movie with the mess, because think about it, that wasn't even a real. I don't even think that was a real story. No, it was. It was like the one Mario Van Peebles and all that, oh, yeah, yeah, the one that I think came out in 94. It's not even fucking with that, you know, not at all. But me and somebody was just talking about the goat, me and a brother that was moving something about the goat, and then we started talking about Black Panther, the Marvel, the Marvel guy, and he had brought something to my attention about how he made it where he'd show people coming in trying to steal from oh yeah, from knowing numbers in and and again.

Chris: 1:17:03

You have to especially dealing with a big corporation like that, like this, in whatever the fuck to get that type of shit green lighted, yeah, and get it off. Like that's very clever and like you know what I'm saying, that's very clever to do that. Very freeman tells dean. He tells dean as they're leaving, he says you keep fighting till you win or until you're dead. That's how serious that shit can be, just like that, which means you never stop fighting. You never stop fighting. They have to put you in the ground as a corpse before you stop fighting. So I feel like those stuff yeah, they did. And I feel like that was the one time when they saw Dawson dead and he said that line. That's when they finally got the total picture of how serious shit actually is.

Chris: 1:17:59

A different. You run around shooting at people because y'all in the group and y'all militant, all the other shit. Well, you get that one-on-one when he tells you he shows you with his dead homie around and he killed and he tells you you do not ever stop fighting until they kill you. Then it hits a little bit different. It's like I might die doing this. Yeah, I might die doing this. Yeah, you might die doing this. Hey, you might die. Matter of fact, it's a high chance you're going to get killed doing this. Yeah, because they sing your ass to the water. It's the same thing Bloods and Crips. You hear what they say all the time.

Chris: 1:18:34

I'm like, when they join these gangs, they know every day might be the last day, but they know it and they still do it. And that's kind of on you making a conscious choice to join something that might be in your life. Yeah, like jail gangs, they say that you come up in here, okay, you're under the protection, but we tell you to go poke the dude over there there. That's what better, hack kid, you gotta do it or you're next. Yeah, you don't know me. We're going out with guns and we're gonna shoot something up. You better come back with chocolate, man. Yeah, you know what I mean, because right now, you know what I mean.

Chris: 1:19:12

Like, what I like about that whole shit is just about playing from A to Z. Yeah, right, you read a book like the 48 Laws of Power. It's a plan from A to Z, yeah, from a scale of 1 to 10, 7 being a good movie, 8 being a great movie, 9 being an excellent movie and 10 being a classic perfect movie. What you get? 11. Okay, mike, nine being an excellent movie and ten being a classic perfect movie, which would be a loving Okay. So explain why you give it an 11.

Chris: 1:19:48

Because, like I say it's, we gotta factor in the technology they had during this script, this story you know what I'm saying which is based off a novel, yeah, story, you know what I'm saying which was based off a novel. Yeah, you know what I mean and how they walked the whole film down and how effective they was with these shots. And you know what I'm saying. Yeah, that whole shit because the book was better than the film. It's always always shit because it's more detailed. Yeah, yeah, but it's just again, we want it.

Chris: 1:20:18

Or the movie went off and what? Yeah, yeah, you know won. Or the movie went off and we won, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. It went off and since that movie, I haven't seen anything where we won. You know, up to some point. I haven't seen anything where we won. What do you mean? Where we won fighting against the man? They even got the belt. You know what I'm saying? Like we always get. Do they even make movies? Now? Were you fighting as the man?

Chris: 1:20:43

I think it's still taboo. I think because of the government, because of the power development, the power that Didn't they just make Civil War? Yeah, I didn't see it, though, but I haven't seen it either. But I don't think it was like how hard this movie was. Well, okay, right, seen it neither, but I don't think it was like how hard this movie was. Well, okay, right, it ain't even gotta be the man, but just the system, right, yeah, the system, you're right. Like you know what I mean. And then now they're like what is the man right and what are we talking about it? We don't know who's the puppet man. We don't know. We.

Chris: 1:21:17

We went on a loophole in the strings. That's how I read it. There's only like five families in the whole world. You see what I'm saying. So if you could get a bit about this, it's just like I'm with anything, that's anything that I feel that's wrong. But whatever, get it out of me. And it's a loophole that's found to do that. You know what I'm saying. I'm with that shit. Okay, because at the end of the day, when you do music and you do movies and shit, that's art Correct. Teach through art, that's how you have time to shit. You know what I'm saying? We listen to guitar. We're talking about a movie that you heard a motherfucker say in a rap song Mm-hmm. And you happen to be working at the movie store and come home with the motherfucking movie and now we've been seeing it here. It is Years later we dissecting the movie. Yeah, that's crazy, it's phenomenal. It's teaching through art.

Chris: 1:22:21

Yeah, into the music from back in the days, like took best tall woman to woman, grunt very much, rather than into this thing it is. You know what I mean. But you don't hear like, like they talk about dudes. You know I'm saying. You don't hear dudes talk about they in love, no more. Yeah, like. You know what I'm saying. You don't hear dudes Talk about their love, no more. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying. It's just like they got their soul. Heaven must be Missing the ink. Yeah, you walk up to a woman In the grocery store and say, damn great, heaven must be Missing the ink she go, even if she don't Fuck with you, you're gonna get Talked about. So yeah, you're gonna get talked about. So yeah, you're sure like like we should make this motherfucker at the store. You know what he told me today, girl? He said have money, what do you look like? You mother off of that. Yeah, you don't know then.

Chris: 1:23:06

So I just like movies that like in, then that I like shit that teaches, do more. You know what I'm saying by? Um, I would rate it probably a 9.5 because Jomadi got that bass. So Jomadi, that's a little odd, I mean, and the joy part, joy character is kind of like I can't get. As a director, as a filmmaker, I can't get over the fact that they put her in the movie so many times. Right, just to have her snitch at the end. You could, just to have her snitch at the end. You could have still had her snitch at the end, but not put her in the movie four different times. She could have been in two times and two other times could have explained how they got on the army base. They could have used that time better to explain certain situations. You got to think.

Chris: 1:23:56

The first time was the introduction, right. The second time was the introduction, right. The second time was when she told him she was, she was marrying the doctor, though. Well, ok, the third time was might have been the argument, not admit before the argument. The third time was them just talking in either her house or his house. Yeah, it was a third time because Dawson came over. That's when Daw, when dawson was like, oh, y'all two still can't let each other go, she gave dawson a kiss on the mouth, which was weird. That was crazy. And gave freeman a kiss on the mouth. That was crazy. I'm like, oh, did she get down like that? Is that how they fuck with him? We know all three of y'all college, you know buddies, but the hell. So that was the third time.

Chris: 1:24:39

That last time, the last matter of fact, it was five times. She had the one scene where her and Dawson, and that's when she told she snitched and told Dawson what dude was thinking, what Freeman was thinking. The last time was her and Freeman when they had a big argument and that was kind of the last time we saw her on the screen. So she was on the screen five times. They could have cut it down to two and got the same message across, got the same exact message across. Well, that would have been the introduction. But then we would have got the doctor scene where she said Correct, we would have got that. The next scene would have just been seen her telling on dogs. Well, let's just say three scenes Instead of five. They could have put her in three, right, and then that would have been fine with me, because it still ended up with her snitching In one of the scenes to Dawson. So her objective would have still gotten done In three scenes.

Chris: 1:25:34

Because I feel like that very first scene, her introduction, was unnecessary. Because she was an unnecessary like why do we have to know that she was his college sweetheart? Like why do we even have to know all that? She could have came in the same two. Scene two could have been her introduction to where she could have been like I just got married to a doctor, but I still want to smash. Like he could have just been that simple. Like he doesn't please me, like you, or he's always away for work, right, I have my needs and I only trust you, so blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like he could have been. That could have been her introduction, right? I feel like the first introduction was like why even put her in the movie just to say she's his college sweetheart? He smashes and it just fade away. That was like three minutes of kind of wasted time.

Chris: 1:26:23

What I like about this shit is as a director, you know, I'm saying he took it, did it how he did it, or whatever. In some motherfuckers, be so much of a perfectionist they ain't gonna put it out. Put you know, I man man, he broke that a true vote. So for him to even just take the jump shot, I mean fucking, you don't know me and and it's like that goes back to what I was talking about with the music. It's like the perfectionist shit. It's just like need to get the job done. I'm looking at it like that and it's like, um, the message definitely was getting, it was true, he did on it, nail 100, we got the message, we got it right.

Chris: 1:27:05

So he was right in that, in that aspect, so like so, so. So it's like it's kind of like a hoop player, like he had a game and maybe he didn't shoot the ball. Like we look at Joker, joker, right, this motherfucker 20 2015, and, motherfuckers, he had a bad game. Really, you got a motherfucker coming off the bitch giving you the. I was motherfucker giving you the LA. You know what I mean. An average motherfucker giving you the LA, like that is crazy. So it's like is it really a bad game or is it really a good game? You know what I mean. But we so used to seeing him put up them type of numbers, you know what I mean. So the same thing, like with movies, like now that the technology didn't grow so much, we'll look at certain shit and be like, okay, well, he could've. You know what I'm saying, but they didn't have them resourced. But I feel you, because he's still staying.

Chris: 1:28:14

How did you get into that base? How did you get into the base? That's all I wanted to know. That's all I wanted to know. That's a pivotal situation. You know what I mean. Because that clay apart and you fighting the war, johnny, win the war if you don't get on the base. So if you go, drop jewels on us, drop everything, drop everything in the head, let us know, point us in the right direction. He felt like we wanted to move like this. How could we?

Chris: 1:28:44

That's why it's important for all film directors to have director's cuts, because you could put those in the director's cuts on DVD or later and they could see it later and you have an explanation of why you didn't put it right. But you can at least see it later and you have an explanation of why you didn't put it right. But you can at least see it in that end. Yeah, the lead scenes. But at least you can show them that we did think about it and we did shoot it, which I couldn't put in the movie Because of time constraints, whatever it could have been and stuff. But I don't like having the fact that you didn't show how they got to the base. And going back to Dawson's bed on the scene, fires, bro, I knew you was going to give him a nine. Like I'm going to have to download it. I'm going to have to download it, but it wasn't a perfect movie because of those things. Right, but I'm bringing it on the curve because once again, it's 1973. So we can't expect all bases to be covered by an independent film.

Chris: 1:29:44

A black person making the film it's a taboo subject fighting against the government. There's a lot of things going against everybody trying to make this deal. You gotta be, you got me. I'm gonna pull that motherfucker up and see that this you. Might you think about this particular movie? It's a movie that you might have to watch like I'm gonna pull that motherfucker up and see that face. You might you think about this particular movie. It's a movie that you might have to watch like five to six times in a row to make sure you caught everything. That's how smart it was. Screenplay-wise, it's very smart.

Chris: 1:30:13

How did you get it? Bass? Because, like, going back to Lauren, like Lauren, he'll say in one of her raps, I say the word motherfucker, so the nigger nigger's here. So in this movie, they use the word nigger a lot to kind of distract you from what they actually trying to do. That's the one thing I've noticed as a filmmaker. I'm like they say it a lot, maybe a little bit too much, but it's because it's to distract you from what's really going on in the movie. Right, you don't say which is government takeover, government throat takeover, so what? It's the same reason why they started crypto and bitcoin stuff government involved in your finances too much. So people tired of that shit. So it's.

Chris: 1:30:58

It's getting to a point where people are fighting back financially, with camera folks filming the police beating people. So these are things that you would never have thought would have happened 20 years ago. People actually fighting back against the system, quote, unquote. Nowadays, that's what you're supposed to be doing. Our kids are being raised to stand up when shit ain't right. We were more or less raised to be like man just go, don't fuck up your money. Turn a cheek. Turn a cheek, don't rock the boat. If you got a good job, don't rock the boat. This generation is like fuck a job. We're going to shut down the Bay Bridge. If we got to protest some shit, we could be working at Google Making $200,000 a year. They will lose their job To shut down the bridge and protest some shit in Israel or whatever. Their mentality is different. But in 1973. You could damn near go to jail or be killed For making art, this series At a very serious time in the world.

Chris: 1:32:01

Like right, people really don't understand places. People wasn't born in the 70s. They only say how serious the 60s and the 70s were. Yeah, hey, you could come up missing talking about the cia and the government that we lost marlo, the king, malcolm x and bob and Bobby Kennedy within a span of some years. Black people were like what the fuck is going on? What's going on? Everybody we look up to is being killed.

Chris: 1:32:31

Now, years later, we found out that it was the inside job of Malcolm X and things that was happening with that, but not with Martin Luther King and not with Bobby Kennedy. They got killed. That was some. I was just about to say that. Again With Kennedy, let you know. Yes, yes, we met one of these motherfuckers. He had tried to do some shit. It is stained in the brain of every person in America. That don't get too uppity. Because they killed Kennedy. How many rappers have said that in a rap song? They killed Kennedy. I'm going to snipe you. Like Kennedy, it's never going to leave our mind that they killed him on live TV. They killed a sitting president on live TV just to prove their point that this is how far the Freeman, the Freeman theory, this is how far we're willing to go to show you we're not fucking around. We'll do this thing. We know we're doing one. We know you know we're not going to hit him, split his head wide open in front of his wife, in front of the world. So it's like I feel like we'll all go to our graves. Me and you wasn't even born when that shit happened. Look how it affects us, that we know that we can't ever get too too wild with this shit, cause that's what could happen.

Chris: 1:33:57

The point wasn't even forwarded. I was tripping off like I seen. I seen this meeting between Barack and and the mics was all, and I guess they did about the mics was all, and Barack kept telling Pooh they done scored right there. I thought I could get reelected and Pooh was like what thought I'd get reelected? And Pooh was like boy, I gotta get reelected before I can. And I was like, wow, that's deep, yeah, and that's the way the dog she give. And so it's fucked up because like not to get into politics or something like that.

Chris: 1:34:40

But when I was watching that debate, the shit was hilarious because it was just two motherfuckers just going at it and I was just looking at like my boy put up a post. He was like don't get it fucked up. He was like trump, he ain't saying the right words. Message was there. Yeah, of course you know and and and. It's like it's fucked up because I mean you look at joe biden. It's like it's not what. That man should be up there. You know what I mean. So it's like we box me. Yeah, but right, both choices are horrible choices. Right, period, right. Right, prince said I ain't got no horses in that race. You know what I mean, so I don't write voting. You know what I mean? I don't give a fuck about that shit. Like I don't get mad at people when they say I don't vote. I don't understand Right, because you just vote for the lesser evil. They really got a good choice, right, and it's like I've seen them, motherfuckers, manipulate votes. Yeah, of course, you've all seen it. Yeah, so I don't want you to waste my time. That whole Florida thing. We know how they can manipulate that shit and so it's just right.

Chris: 1:35:45

But this being the main ingredient, the name of the show, we always end it with asking our guests what is the main ingredient, in your opinion, that made this movie a blockbuster hit? You gave it an 11. What was the main ingredient, the main thing, the one main thing that made it an 11 to you? That could be screenplay, the characters, the message Okay, it's the message, purely right. Okay, the message and the execution Okay, because, like I said, feel we still gonna keep saying how you getting that base.

Chris: 1:36:22

You know those things, but for the most part, dude, like if we was teachers brave a student right. That student would pass right. Because it's like you know, the message is there, and when we talk about, like, the intricate details of him walking that whole plate down right, like from him being a black belt, you know what I mean. That mean, this was a thought in his mind, probably in high school, right, you know what I'm saying. But being that they had just started integrating, that mean that play wasn't even in his head in there. You know what I mean. So that would have to be calculated, like, just in case, if this happens. You know what I'm saying. But that's a different thing too, because back in the days in the 70s, like the dope deal was the cool shit was non-karate yeah, it was, it was more karate. You know what I'm saying. That was, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So that was major. Yeah, I'm going to back you up on that.

Chris: 1:37:27

In saying that's also, my main ingredient is the message, that is, it was potent, it was powerful, it was, it was for that time, right on time, and it was for that time, right on time and it seared in my mind until they put me in a grave. I'm always going to remember this particular movie and what it said to me, what it meant to me. I'll never forget this movie, right, I'll never forget this movie, no matter what. So I'm going to say what you like. It's the message. Yeah, because now, when we think about that, it has to be the message every time. Yeah, because with a movie like this, it has to be.

Chris: 1:38:06

Because you take a movie like Transformers Right, I'm not going to watch Transformers for no message, correct. But they throw a message in there. They do. You know what I mean. Just like Black Panther, I really wouldn't go on for a message in there. They do, you know what I mean. Just like Black Panther, I really wasn't going for a message, but they threw one up in there. You know what I mean and I'll fuck with that, you know.

Chris: 1:38:25

But it's like in certain movies I go to see the theatrics and the you know what I mean the effects. You know what I'm saying. Like when they came out with Avengers, it was like man, thanos, man, he throw the sun at the what. It's just so particular. What's his period? You're going to pure entertainment period. But when you go see Malcolm X, you want the message. Yeah, because it's still a lot of shit. No, because now, what do we give that more? Yeah, and that's all the list. We have to don't do that. What do we give that more? Because that more was like three hours more. Yeah, it was over three hours. You see what I'm saying. So it was over three hours. Now we will have to grade that so different, because it's like three motherfucking hours to hit everything. Yeah, I agree, I agree.

Chris: 1:39:23

Did you fuck with the Bob Marley movie? Not yet, not yet. I haven't seen the Bob Marley movie. When you see that on this episode, you have to say something about that. You can tell me what you think, because I went into it. What is it? It's called Bob Marley. What's it? Called One Love, one Love.

Chris: 1:39:40

Okay, when I went into it because I read the autobiography and so I'm going in because they didn't see it you know what I mean and how they did it I was like Am I fucking with that? Like you know what I mean when I be talking to people that, like a lot of people, like I don't like that, I don't like your one, that didn't have a lot of good reviews. Yeah, that's why I definitely want it. Let me see, call me this. That's really the reason why I didn't rush out to see when it came out, because I always wait after movies come out to see what the reviews are.

Chris: 1:40:19

And I didn't get any positive reviews. Not only the tabloids, but even people I noticed saw it was kind of like no, but it's the same thing, like when I read Yelp reviews. Correct, what are you complaining about? Are you saying the fool Laffy was the service fucker? Did somebody piss you off? Like? You know what I'm saying. It's just different shit like that. You know what I'm saying.

Chris: 1:40:46

And sometimes some people put bad Yelp reviews because they're just having a bad day bingo. They got nothing to do with the restaurant bingo, so they walked in there, pissed off, right, and so the bad reviews that I was hearing about the movie it was oh, what did they touch on this? And they should have touched on this Got to see, like you know, and see what they did with that and I was like, oh, okay, okay, you know what I mean. Because it wasn't. It wasn't an autobiography. You know what I'm saying.

Chris: 1:41:20

Because even like when we talk about Straight Outta Compton, what do we give back? You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of shit. I felt like you know what I'm saying. They left some shit out that I would have wanted to see, but they got the message. You know what I'm saying.

Chris: 1:41:39

So, yeah, man, okay, well, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, man, okay, well, you know Israel. I want to thank you for coming through, man, you found me. We definitely gonna look back up again. We got a pair of movies. We gonna look back up again, do it again, but tell them where they can find you at.

Chris: 1:41:52

Yeah, man, just text me on Instagram, i-z-r-e-l-l. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Hit me at that. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, on Facebook, you know Israel, mr Tom Morris, you know what I'm saying. You can go to the link in my bio on my Instagram and everything is there. We'll cut music there, the videos. You know what I'm saying? Different accounts and shit like that. I got a lot of shit coming. You know what I mean. I'll be cooking. I know you have, man. I know you have. I know you have. I can't wait to hear it. I know you have, for sure. Thank you for coming, man. I appreciate it Absolutely. Anytime, that'll be it, everybody. I'm your host, chris Ellis, and this is the main ingredient. With Chris Ellis. We'll catch you next time, peace.